Chefferz - Ban Appeal

[raiq]

BYOND Name: Chefferz

Reason Banned: After already being given one last chance to show improvement, continued to instead display poor and unwanted behaviour both IC and OOC - including recent cases of; Excessive toxic behavior & meta grudging, powergaming and lashing out at staff merely voicing their thoughts on your ban appeal. Enough's enough, time to look elsewhere to play..


Admin who banned: Worgilisk

Length Banned: Perma

Appeal Reason:
Ultimately regardless of support from multiple admins I was removed from the community. Jay told me to appeal after 30 days, it's been double that. The reasons given are explained before. The incident in particular that got me banned was something I admin helped and was given permission by PolymorphBlue to do, yet Improvedname decided to bring up the issue to Gorgilisk, claiming I was metagrudging when I was not, in which Vincent quickly drummed up a reason to permaban me and briefly discussed it with Gorgilisk before the hammer was dropped.

Excessive toxic behavior & meta grudging

I've admitted that I get a bit upset when I have to deal with behavior on a consistent, and constant basis from a very small number of regular players, along with getting into arguments OOC with Jade which I am sure most of the admin team is well aware. The biggest reason why is due to the aggressive behavior that occurs with Jade whenever events do not go to their exact whim, which I have acknowledged is something that makes me just as upset and have been taking it upon myself to completely leave the rounds whenever I am notified of this happening. The arguing on the discord is typically done with a large number of people, so just because I'm talking about a topic that's salty in the discord doesn't mean I'm actively trying to shit stur or make the game miserable for people, because I am not. Most of my complaints have been regarding particular players who are the type who go out of their way to ruin rounds, which brings me to the 2nd point of this.

Metagrudging. I do not keep tabs of who plays who unless it's a static named character of whom I develop a relationship with IC, beit negative or positive. If things get too out of hand IC, I have discussed this stuff OOC with people in order to prevent issues from occurring. However, there are certain individuals whom I have attempted to smooth things over with and it's typically ended up quite disastrous. While I do my best to avoid these players IC, whenever it comes to an incident where I am playing security and they're doing something that is against the law, I am going to apply said law to them without any bias. I do not go out of my way to mess with rounds of players, I do not go out of my way to salt all over people's IM boxes and ruin their shifts. I do, however, notice a trend with certain individuals (of which I -DO- ahelp and get it documented) in which they're of a particular personality, and treat them accordingly. This occurs with every regular whom plays on the RP server, as most of the people who play (50% of the population) are quite regular.

The incidents in question that I know were brought up were the interactions with me and Prax. Now, anytime someone messes with Arvedki, they'll go off on death threat tangents. Numerous people can attest to this if you search in the discord, as this is a REGULAR occurance with Prax. There's been multiple incidents where they beat the shit out of people for things as simple as a headpat, and BlackMajor can attest that the security record of them was vile, enough to warrant them as being a unreasonable character. They have accused me of metagrudging on discord, and have lashed out at me violently when I follow orders as security against them. (Note, this ONLY happens when I am a security member).  Here's a sample of one of said lashing outs at me on discord. Note the only IN CHARACTER issue I had with Arvedki was them up and getting married/engaged. I only bugged them about how I thought this was a silly idea because of their known lewd behavior.



The last accusation of metagrudging against me was Kurushee, who ended up being a permaban evader, and was well documented (and banned) for grudging -me- shift start and various other times, despite zero IC interaction.


Powergaming and lashing out at staff merely voicing their thoughts on your ban appeal.

I've got a single powergaming note, one in which I broke into security in order to patch up a scientist who was quickly bleeding out and needed surgery, as an anomaly was harming a number of people. The current surgeon whom was playing was going unreasonably slow, and I took it upon myself to try and fix the issue. Was that wrong? Absolutely, and my judgement was clouded in the heat of the moment and I apologized when pinged for it. I've done nothing else that would be deemed powergaming, nor have I been pinged for any incident that's similar to that. 

Lashing out was hardly that. I asked someone, Zeronetalpha, whom I had on my friends list at the time,and has been quite friendly with me, if they could clarify on what they meant. I was asking them for advice so I could know how, in their eyes, improve myself, because I have been attempting to improve my behavior considerably. It's unfair for me to be called "Lashing out" when I was asking for a simple explanation of how I could improve.

Summing this up.

You can ask any administrator was actually around at the times that I played the RP server that my behavior was reasonable minus a few minor slip ups here and there. Considering My note history on the main server was reviewed despite not even playing on the main server for a long time (over 9 months), and my note history has been slim on the RP server, I feel that a permaban is completely unjustified. I understand that I try to articulate what happened, but I've not denied my past behavior, and have been trying to improve myself. The incident that led to me being banned was approved of by an admin, I did everything by the book and was told by a security commander to detain someone whom had made threats on open comms. I even tried to stop the arguing in Discord after the fact.

If there is a particular incident in question that I feel is a detriment to the server, I have been messaging appropriate admins about it. BlackMajor can attest that anytime there's something I've got a problem with, as far as someone whom is being a pain, that they've been made aware of it, along with the discussions regarding Jade's incidents, and the huge impact it's had on how I am portrayed because of it.

Who supported my previous unban request?
Blackmajor - "I think they got baited and support this unban"
Zeldazackman - "Legit feels like the ban was baited"
Nylon_Blitz 
Derkuleen
A good dozen+ people from the community who gave vouches.

[Polymorph]

Well, I'm on the opinion this is well articulated, shows that they want to be part of the community and are willing to put work into it, and that the ban shouldn't have been applied in the first place.

+1

(Also, for posterity, the previous appeal is here: showthread.php?tid=1734)

[kevinz000]

!tgs play despacito

[Sk1Tz]

+1 even if it means nothing. Glad to see ya again, man!

[Vincent Airin]

I personally am against this appeal. Baited or not, the long and short is that you were banned due to the discovery of your probationary status following a previous perma ban being over turned. As was explained before. When this answer was unsatisfactory to you, the staff was immediately bombarded with friends whipped into a fervor by you to claim how terrible the staff was and even demand staff removal. This is the third time around for you, as I said: I am entirely against your return.

[Sylas]

I dont want you back. That is my personal thoughts on this.
You're toxic, and cant handle shit not going your way.
You are absolutely, undeniably vindictive.

But, I have asked virgo staff about you. You've been noticed, but you werent a negative subject. Because of that, I'm willing to let you have one last chance.

What I'd like to see, if you happen to get this ban appealed as unlikely as it is, is for you to not be so... Aggressive.
I dont want to hear shit about you bringing the game into OOC because shit didnt go your way.
I dont want to hear any form of OOC drama around you. At all.
I was sick of it before, and I dont want to peel that scab.

[raiq]

Except I've not been "permabanned three times" though.

The first time has been explained a million times. I went AFK and ended up non-con vored, and attacked my way out of them and logged off. I came back (after like a year) to being banned because it was ahelped, and I never even bothered coming back onto the server at the time because Vore was something I was uncomfortable with.

The second "permaban" was by DickyDeck which was an immediate overturn when two other admins determined they hadn't even looked into the logs, and just banned me instead. It lasted a total of 10 minutes tops before the other admins overturned it.

This probationary period was after me lashing out at Sylas due to them attacking me as HoS, it was when I got a head ban. Regardless of this fact. This issue alone was another hot topic as it was entirely unnecessary and caused a bunch of drama with more people than just me.

You're literally saying "Baited or not you were on probation" when I ahelped the situation in detail BEFORE acting, and was given the green light by an admin to go into the dorms and arrest the person, and I've got multiple admins and friends who gave their support and showed I was improving, but because I was on probation and my name was heard I was immediately banned. Almost every player input for me was almost positive, but it was all tossed in the garbage simply because of this "probationary period" when the whole point of that was to improve as I was doing, and have been since I played on Main regardless.

Not to mention, Vincent, that the situation was entirely resolved that led up to me getting banned, until Improvedname went to admin chat and said how it was somehow metagrudging, and stirred the pot on a resolved issue, and then you typed up a ban reason and kept talking to Gorgilisk about how I should be banned based on your one interaction with me IC regarding Solace, when I was pissed that I wasn't able to spend time with him, and everyone kept tossing my name around enough to piss off Leon.

You are still dodging how you called it powergaming for me to wire solars, and still using that as a reason to keep me gone, despite BlackMajor telling you otherwise. You're now making up me "rallying" people to get staffed removed even, when the fact of the matter was a large number of RP community was upset at the ban reason because of the fact I was on better behavior. People disliking an admin's judgement, especially one who was using something as the above example to keep them banned, isn't a reason to blame me for it.

[AmatsuDF]

I personally am against this appeal. Baited or not, the long and short is that you were banned due to the discovery of your probationary status following a previous perma ban being over turned. As was explained before. When this answer was unsatisfactory to you, the staff was immediately bombarded with friends whipped into a fervor by you to claim how terrible the staff was and even demand staff removal. This is the third time around for you, as I said: I am entirely against your return.

There was no 'whipping into a fervor' going on. You know there is a issue with a ban when multiple admins, and even HEAD ADMINS, other then Gorg, support a ban being reduced or flat out removed. I supported a unban because I looked over the facts as presented by both sides, and determined, for myself, that it was utter bullshit. In addition, if what else said in this appeal is accurate, it indicates almost no discussion occured pre-ban. Kinda shady when dealing with removing a player for good.

As for the claim that Raiq demanded staff removal, that is also false. If anything, I recall some support for various admins being outlined in a conversation that I had with them, alongside several other regular players, admins, and even a few head admins that partook in a long, nearly three hour voice conversation where Raiq outlined every single thing they had a note for (and didn't have, in a few cases!), and confirmed to be 100% accurate with no omissions or attempts to claim most of the notes were incorrect. A few they commented they felt were unfair, but I suspect a note appeal is next if this one is accepted where that can be discussed in greater detail.

The reason I support a removal of the ban is not some mindless being told what to do to drum up support, is because I spoke to them, and got the impression of someone that knows they were shitty in the past, but have strived to improve, with few and far between issues since. Compare the note history of main and RP, and you'll notice a -massive- time gap between them.

Even if Raiq had violated the rules that lead to a permaban (which they did not, they only acted once admin approval was given, and I believe they would have not if they were told no), it is beyond clear that the -intent- was not to violate any rules, and every reasonable effort was made to ensure compliance with them as wrote at the time.

+1 support. If I could support it any more, I would.

[Sylas]

As for the claim that Raiq demanded staff removal, that is also false. If anything, I recall some support for various admins being outlined in a conversation that I had with them, alongside several other regular players, admins, and even a few head admins that partook in a long, nearly three hour voice conversation where Raiq outlined every single thing they had a note for (and didn't have, in a few cases!), and confirmed to be 100% accurate with no omissions or attempts to claim most of the notes were incorrect. A few they commented they felt were unfair, but I suspect a note appeal is next if this one is accepted where that can be discussed in greater detail.

Actually, they did demand I be demoted from staff because I killed them as DSquad for disregarding orders and several warnings.

[AmatsuDF]

As for the claim that Raiq demanded staff removal, that is also false. If anything, I recall some support for various admins being outlined in a conversation that I had with them, alongside several other regular players, admins, and even a few head admins that partook in a long, nearly three hour voice conversation where Raiq outlined every single thing they had a note for (and didn't have, in a few cases!), and confirmed to be 100% accurate with no omissions or attempts to claim most of the notes were incorrect. A few they commented they felt were unfair, but I suspect a note appeal is next if this one is accepted where that can be discussed in greater detail.

Actually, they did demand I be demoted from staff because I killed them as DSquad for disregarding orders and several warnings.

While I cannot recall if they did or did not, that demand, if it happened, occured before the permaban, nor do I recall them getting a bunch of friends to echo that demand at that time. My comment is purely in response to Vincent's own...of which I noticed something of interest in his comment. His post reads, to me at least, that Raiq was banned purely because someone discovered they were on probation, and had a prior permaban, adding to the rather shady nature of it.

I am curious about something, though. Raiq says they sought out, via ahelp, admin permission to proceed with their actions that led to the ban, and got it...and yet was punished because they acted on the permission given. Why is it a player that is trying can be given the boot, for good, when a admin said it was fine. Why is this part of the appeal almost constantly ignored by admins, and only a few admins at that?