Main Temp Ban Meta friending / Power gaming

[Spensara]

BYOND Name: Spensara

Reason Banned:As HoS, got into a conflict with the CE over insuls, causing a ruckus within the crew. Because of this, they proceeded to work closely with the warden to have a RnD console brought into the brig to research guns, Heavily power gaming afterwards, admitting that they did power game quite heavily and would understand punished. Discussion was cut off midway due to an error in the round delay, with both her and warden Uncle bourbon being unavailable to contact due to disconnecting. Please submit and appeal on the forums as soon as possible, so the discussion can be finished and the ban could be removed or changed to better suit the situation.

Admin who banned: Roguesteampunker

Length Banned:43800 minutes (Month)

Appeal Reason: I first think it's not very cash money to ban for a month due to an error within round delay (Someone messed up). And to tell me that you were considering to perma me due to the same reason is quite unreasonable. So to start the story. Me the HoS Joker Amari ran into engineering grabbing an Engineer Lucy Licorice and pointing at a door, while typing the CE, who thought I broke in and tried to throw said Engineer into the door so I could get insuls. Baton'd me and I got kind of upset so I tazed the CE 4 times and took their baton. I don't remember what I said but it was probably something rude and insulting. After recharging my X-01 people started having a fit mainly Aeki something I don't remember their last name was having a temper tantrum over me so called "Mag dumping" the CE with a tazer. So after I read a bunch of messages about 3 heads of staff asking for the HoS's demotion, Science says security is banned from Sci. I told Cazz to begin researching guns to be able to protect ourselves and the HoP accused me of saying "RUSH" gun research which is not what I said.The Ai also played a large part in upsetting the crew, but to be fair I was instigating a fight. Captain stayed mostly neutral. And two crew members joined "sectopia" which one later cryo'd Hera a Robo and Gladwyn. After a while of intense powergaying MRjwhit messaged me and told me to cool it so I did. And I began letting things boil over. Ashley Kifer one of the people trying to wall sec in got gulag'd for 20 minutes, since gulag is /Broken?/ unsure. Captain asked me to come to the bridge so I did and I got demoted without a fight. And after 20-30 minutes the conflict boiled over. I'm pretty sure this is just a lot of escalation that could of been avoided if it were for mainly for Aeki and the HoP. But again I do believe I'm still at fault since I said lots of aggressive and mean things that should of not been said. But again I doubt anybody cared that it happened and I even tried to apologize to the CE and Aeki. Which after apologizing the the CE they called me a "Nigger" and walked off into atmos. So I stayed in security till the shuttle was called and I walked to escape and waited for the round to end. Kevinz also said in discord that all of this could have been avoided if I and many others didn't escalate the situation so fast. Again apologies for the inconvenience. I do understand that Roguesteampunker is Lucy licorice so they had a front row seat of what happened in engineering.

[Uncle Bourbon]

Im gonna just put my appeal here since both of us are in the same ban reason.

Appeal: I'm fucking around in brig when all of a sudden people are crying bout the hos being a shitter and the RD makes an announcement saying "Until the HoS is demoted we aren't gonna do rnd for sec" or something along the lines of that. So I ask what the fuck happened and just learn that Joker just taser magdumped the CE for batoning them and im just like "ok????" thats something to not call for a demote over especially since Joker gave back the baton in front of sec and the cap. Afterwards i message the RD explaining the situation and they still dont give a fuck and refuse to do anything till they are demoted. So im like aight bet if you wanna be a dick i'll be a dick back and made an RND console in sec to research shit for sec. Afterwards I would research other things that aren't mechs. Cap told me to stop cause they had it under control, one look at comms and people like the hop are loudmode spamming anti hos shit and also using his pda cartridge to send messages to everyone. So i'm thing uh no sorry. At that point I had magrifles and mindshield firing pins for sec. Like sorry but from my experience, and with people like ashley starting wall off sec it just seems like they are trying to find any reason to attack us and claim its "valid" I said multiple times for the crew to back off and made sure that in case shit goes south sec and anyone inside wouldnt be attacked. I only rushed weapons cause one, thats really all sec can print, and two crew kept trying to pick a fight with us. People said that they only started when I researched weapons but i just researched riot shields first and I waited like 10 minutes which the above happened, even after the cap said she will get it handled.

I shouldn't have been so aggressive and basically played chicken with the RD seeing who will fold first. Multiple times the salt shouldve ended but either certain people in the crew or one of us would do something in return to spite the others.
As for the gulag I legitimately didnt know it was broken and I have already apologized for the misunderstanding to ashley.

[AvaricePleonexia]

Im gonna just put my appeal here since both of us are in the same ban reason.

Appeal: I'm fucking around in brig when all of a sudden people are crying bout the hos being a shitter and the RD makes an announcement saying "Until the HoS is demoted we aren't gonna do rnd for sec" or something along the lines of that. So I ask what the fuck happened and just learn that Joker just taser magdumped the CE for batoning them and im just like "ok????" thats something to not call for a demote over especially since Joker gave back the baton in front of sec and the cap. Afterwards i message the RD explaining the situation and they still dont give a fuck and refuse to do anything till they are demoted. So im like aight bet if you wanna be a dick i'll be a dick back and made an RND console in sec to research shit for sec. Afterwards I would research other things that aren't mechs. Cap told me to stop cause they had it under control, one look at comms and people like the hop are loudmode spamming anti hos shit and also using his pda cartridge to send messages to everyone. So i'm thing uh no sorry. At that point I had magrifles and mindshield firing pins for sec. Like sorry but from my experience, and with people like ashley starting wall off sec it just seems like they are trying to find any reason to attack us and claim its "valid" I said multiple times for the crew to back off and made sure that in case shit goes south sec and anyone inside wouldnt be attacked. I only rushed weapons cause one, thats really all sec can print, and two crew kept trying to pick a fight with us. People said that they only started when I researched weapons but i just researched riot shields first and I waited like 10 minutes which the above happened, even after the cap said she will get it handled.

I shouldn't have been so aggressive and basically played chicken with the RD seeing who will fold first. Multiple times the salt shouldve ended but either certain people in the crew or one of us would do something in return to spite the others.
As for the gulag I legitimately didnt know it was broken and I have already apologized for the misunderstanding to ashley.

Not the banning admin, but, this won't be considered a proper appeal as you need to follow the format. Go and make another appeal, and, not just stack this onto Spensara's.

[RogueSteampunker]

Let's see.

I first think it's not very cash money to ban for a month due to an error within round delay (Someone messed up). And to tell me that you were considering to perma me due to the same reason is quite unreasonable.

I never intended to permaban you for the case of the round resetting. When you asked on why the ban was how it was, I merely explained that it didn't seem reasonable to give you a perma when you didn't willingly try to run off from tickets.

So to start the story. Me the HoS Joker Amari ran into engineering grabbing an Engineer Lucy Licorice and pointing at a door, while typing the CE, who thought I broke in and tried to throw said Engineer into the door so I could get insuls. Baton'd me and I got kind of upset so I tazed the CE 4 times and took their baton. I don't remember what I said but it was probably something rude and insulting.

You did tell them "wanna try that again" and ran off with the gloves. However, it was already ruled that in the situation present, the CE was more in the blame at the time than you due to an overreaction, so we'll put that aside for the moment.

After recharging my X-01 people started having a fit mainly Aeki something I don't remember their last name was having a temper tantrum over me so called "Mag dumping" the CE with a tazer. So after I read a bunch of messages about 3 heads of staff asking for the HoS's demotion, Science says security is banned from Sci. I told Cazz to begin researching guns to be able to protect ourselves and the HoP accused me of saying "RUSH" gun research which is not what I said.

To quote what went down:

[2019-06-08 06:11:24.399] SAY: Uncle Bourbon/(Cazz Miller) "since science doesnt want to service sec anymore, im gonna build an rnd console here in sec and take their points for our guns" (Brig Control (114, 174, 2))

[2019-06-08 06:11:48.587] SAY: Spensara/(Joker Amari) "Do it" (Head of Security's Office (128, 183, 2))

Looking over that and you explaining what to do to get the board, you weren't really concerned over making sure sec was protected, even less so when you then explained to another admin on at the time that you were effectively powergaming cause of the round seemingly turning into nations. All of this, alongside Bourbon's claims in his own appeal to want to "stop mech research" and was proven iffy at best, neither of these stories seem to line up.

The Ai also played a large part in upsetting the crew, but to be fair I was instigating a fight. Captain stayed mostly neutral. And two crew members joined "sectopia" which one later cryo'd Hera a Robo and Gladwyn. After a while of intense powergaying MRjwhit messaged me and told me to cool it so I did.

This was admitted powergaming, all of this discussed with Jwhit, so I won't dwell long on it.

After a while of intense powergaying MRjwhit messaged me and told me to cool it so I did. And I began letting things boil over. Ashley Kifer one of the people trying to wall sec in got gulag'd for 20 minutes, since gulag is /Broken?/ unsure.

They were gulagged for 1000 points, which was effectively a perma sentence. The only reason they were able to come back up was due to a bug that left the stacking machine unusable, and a manual reduction of their setence to 300 points.

Captain asked me to come to the bridge so I did and I got demoted without a fight. And after 20-30 minutes the conflict boiled over. I'm pretty sure this is just a lot of escalation that could of been avoided if it were for mainly for Aeki and the HoP. But again I do believe I'm still at fault since I said lots of aggressive and mean things that should of not been said. But again I doubt anybody cared that it happened and I even tried to apologize to the CE and Aeki. Which after apologizing the the CE they called me a "Nigger" and walked off into atmos.

At which point, the promoted Cazz proceeded to go demand they apologize, attempted to arrest people more for reacting to the situation that was caused, and generally pick up the slack with you in tow.

In the end, as much as admitting your faults is quite professional and such, it doesn't forgive the fact that the entire round was derailed under admitted powergaming for a full on station war, or the damn-near metafriending between you and cazz throughout the entire round, that which you've both been banned for in the past. In the end the appeal is denied, unless a headmin want's to overrule it.

[Spensara]

If you think working with the warden as HoS is metafriending. I think thats working with your department. on another subject I gave cazz my stuff because he was the next in line to fill in for the HoS staff position. Like captain even said that was fine. And metafriending Cazz is like saying I was working with my Department tbh. with the context that he was literally the warden. Another part that is kind of dumb. All the people who started shitting on sec for being /incompetent/ for a lack of better words got scott free while im sitting on my ass for a month without being able to play. Ashley Kifer didn't get any flame for walling off sec multiple times and assualting officers for the same reason that I was powergaming. The RD didn't get any flame for declaring that we couldn't enter their department and as well cargo was attacking with mechs and that was all looked over. I would like you to reconsider and try to look at it from my point of view. I made mistakes, not the first time or the last. But lots of other players were instigating my motivation to continue power gaming. Robotocists didn't get bwoinked for making mechs and drilling doors. Cargo didn't get bwoinked for declaring themselves enemies to Security. The only people who got banned was me and Cazz not even Aeki or Lana got a hour ban probably, I would say this is unfair treatment since not only I started all of this but it was a cluster fuck of IC drama and people complaining about me tazering the CE.

[Bapldap]

I'd just like to point out that 1000 points on the gulag is not a permanent sentence, it only takes about 15 minutes of the players time if they aren't lazy. Also, I don't think a month ban is actually deserved of Spensara, and it should probably be shortened to a week.

[madamheichou]

A month ban for something like this doesn't seem right. Why month ban when you can just Sec/Head ban? The thing about no one else getting slapped for being shitheads is annoying too, like Ashley. It sounds like the entire crew got turned on Sec for something as simple as non-lethally retaliating against a stun over a misunderstanding. I can understand banning them period for "rushing" gun research, but I think a department ban would be more suitable. A suitable department ban and maybe half a week to a full week server ban. An entire month ban doesn't sound that fair, especially since Joker took his IC demotion without a fight. I'm in favor of decreasing Joker and Cazz's bans.

[RogueSteampunker]

If you think working with the warden as HoS is metafriending. I think thats working with your department. on another subject I gave cazz my stuff because he was the next in line to fill in for the HoS staff position. Like captain even said that was fine. And metafriending Cazz is like saying I was working with my Department tbh.

It's one thing to work with your department, it's all whole 'nother deal when they're one of the only sec members backing you, actively working with you to powergame through the entire round, and then constantly pushes both in and out of game attempting to defend you. If not the fact that they were one of the only sec to stay entirely loyal to you or the fact that they contributed without question to your admitted powergaming, then the fact that they literally continued to stir shit when they were aiming to try and get an apology out of someone for you when they called you a slur. Not even considering the messages I was given over discord asking why it is I'd blame you and how it was rude to ban someone who was cooperating so well, it just leads one to believe that it wasn't just a coincidence.

Another part that is kind of dumb. All the people who started shitting on sec for being /incompetent/ for a lack of better words got scott free while im sitting on my ass for a month without being able to play.

None of the other people shitting on sec literally admitted to powergaming hard cause they were wanting to prepare for nations-style combat, however, and none of them went to the degrees sec did before you were told to cut it out. Not to mention at least one person was banned for welder bombing during the entire thing, so it certainly isn't as if you were the only ones getting looked at.

The RD didn't get any flame for declaring that we couldn't enter their department and as well cargo was attacking with mechs and that was all looked over.

The RD was in their rights to declare it when it was found that Cazz spent all the points at the time for guns, and the cargo techs attacking people were indeed ahelped and being handled at the time.

I would like you to reconsider and try to look at it from my point of view. I made mistakes, not the first time or the last. But lots of other players were instigating my motivation to continue power gaming.

Your motivations for powergaming were literally cause you thought the round was going to hell, and decided that it wouldn't hurt to keep powergaming for the sake of yourself. Not to mention a good deal of the parties involved were also ahelped and noted, there's no real excuse for what happened during that round.

Robotocists didn't get bwoinked for making mechs and drilling doors. Cargo didn't get bwoinked for declaring themselves enemies to Security. The only people who got banned was me and Cazz not even Aeki or Lana got a hour ban probably, I would say this is unfair treatment since not only I started all of this but it was a cluster fuck of IC drama and people complaining about me tazering the CE.

The robotics worker in question was the one who was welderbombing and got banned for both, as Jwhit informs. Aeki and Lana turned out to be a IC grudge fight and was handled separately from the situation, and cargo declaring themselves an enemy of sec is about as much of a big occurrence as science and engineering doing the same due to the remaining sec team's actions. While it was a busy shift for the admins, we aren't suddenly targeting people out and leaving the rest unscathed.

In the end, just cause you were technically in the right in the beginning doesn't mean you're suddenly free of criticism regarding your actions afterwards, especially when it was all a textbook definition of powergame. Once again, the ban will remain in place.

[Spensara]

I'm not free of criticism and I understand that as if you are trying to imply that I am. But if you think I can control what Cazz does you are wrong, if he wants to vouch for me and attempt to make people apologize for my sake I can't help it. I already admitted to power gaming like I said I was giving an excuse to why. Jasemine frost was another one of my backers and you have not mentioned them, Cazz was not my only backer and if he was I would understand why you think we were meta friending. But I still think this ban shouldn't be a month, I think it should be a head / department ban or a week to let me reflect on what happened. Restricting an entire month is a little harsh for a single round. You also told us that you gave us a month ban so we would appeal on the forums quicker and so we did. keeping the month ban even though you gave it to us so we would try and appeal seems also unfair. I quote from the ban reason "Please submit an appeal as soon as possible, so the discussion can be continued..."

[CawingCrow]

As someone, who was actively involved in this ruckus, I'd like to share my two cents to this story.
Firstly; I find it unacceptable, that you were handling the Ahelp, while you were actively and physically involved in this. A different Admin should had taken care of this and not you, RogueSteampunker.
Second, your claims and accusations are wrong. If you would had properly checked the logs, you would know, that Ashley Kifer was blocking every single Security door multiple times. I, the Geneticist, who joined sectopia, after points were wasted on useless research nodes and the RD was lacking any sense of knowledge on how to do RnD. Yes, that actually happen. Was the person, who arrested and recommended Ashley Kifer to be thrown into Gulag for toxic and griefing behaviour. Spensara did not even touched her.
However Ashley Kifer wasn’t just the only person, that walled off security. People have been blocking every single entrance of security with walls or vending machines and Aeki actively supplied the shitters with RCDs.