Citadel Community

BYOND account and character name: Zherneboh/All characters

Banning admin: Subtumaka/Blackmajor

Ban type/duration (where you are banned from and for how long): Permanent

Ban reason:
(or if pic is broken) : https://imgur.com/KQFdUp4

Your side of the story:
To be entirely honest, this ban reason does not encompass the entirety of why I was permanently banned.

For a solid three hours I was utterly committed to being as absolutely toxic, rude, and childish as possible. It started when I logged into RP and started a fight with a fire extinguisher, at which point the medic who was tasked with fixing the aftermath put me into cryosleep. At that point, any reasonable player would sign out, take a break, and deal with things later, being entirely unreasonable, I argued with an admin. Frankly at the time it was utterly nonsensical bitching on my side, and the admin was well within his/her right to kick me out for that kind of disrespectful behavior.

The admin accidentally kicked someone else by mistake(they were new), and I viciously mocked them on discord about the, to be fair, entirely understandable mistake. Blackmajor intervened at this point and banned me from the discord, rightfully so, as I was really committed to continuing the mockery. I really can't explain exactly how appreciative I am of the fact that he did so when he did, it kept my embarrassing antics isolated.

After getting banned from two thirds of the community, for whatever reason, I decided the correct course of action was to login to main and immediately suicide, I'm assuming after the fact it was to be childishly defiant for the consequences that my rulebreaking caused. I ranted and raved in admin chat til at which point, someone had the decency to remove me entirely from the server(I assume Subtumaka, not really sure of the four-to-five day initial ban). At the time, the banning admin explained that I could talk to the "*~Spicey Boi~*" Blackmajor to explain myself.

In order to 'explain myself' I apparently spent the next two hours ranting and raving at Blackmajor in discord PMs. It was utterly inexcusable, rude, and uncalled for. At no time has this administration done anything besides their jobs. I treated each person I encountered like garbage, almost entirely dehumanizing them. It is entirely my fault that this ban happened.

Due to this continued, personalized, rudeness, and mocking Blackmajor that I could just dodge the ban, I was then permanently banned from both servers(Main/RP), and administration informed several other servers resulting in QC bans from multiple other servers.

Why you think you should be unbanned:
I cannot begin to express how sorry I am that you people had to deal with me for as long as you did that night. I was completely and utterly convinced that being rude, toxic, and terrible would somehow create a fantastic experience for your (completely voluntary) staff. The entire event(after the fact) was embarrassing, humiliating, and really called into question my perception of this community and staff that serves it.

I wish to formally apologize to every member of staff that honestly tried to help me, but ultimately to user Blackmajor. I was totally out of line, and acted like a maniac when really, you were just doing your job and had no ill intent. I spent a solid two hours screaming at you and you weathered every minute of it like a professional. You didn't deserve it at all, and I am truly sorry to have treated you like that.

In the interest of full disclosure, when I said I have the needed tools, links, and knowledge to avoid the ban, it was entirely true. I have not, and will not(regardless of the decision of this appeal) use these means to regain access to this community. Part of what made Citadel so enticing was knowing everyone aboard and enjoying them, the community has a lot to offer, and I really enjoyed my time here.

Given my note history, I clearly didn't appreciate it, or you all, like I should've. I've been consistently rude, combative, and ultimately not given back joy to the community in the way that it brings me joy.

I've taken a month off to think exactly on these things, the way I hurt people, the words I said, and the way I acted.

At the time of this incident, I never had anything even remotely close to it. I can say that it was an unintended interaction of medication, but that is not an excuse, just an explanation of why I felt the need to act like such an arrogant jerk. I can promise this will not be a repeat event, but I do understand that forgiveness and unity have to come from both sides of an argument, and I would completely understand if I am not ready to be forgiven.

Heyo! Am the main admin that took your ticket before you left the first time, and after you came back to rant.
I get it if you have a bad day and think, man, I would like for a game of relaxing SS13 to cool off. But instead it gets worse when you gotta face off some dude who puts 20% of their life in the game and is like the Mister Miyagi of spacemans.
The first part of this was that I was genuinely confused as to what you were trying to put forth in an ahelp at first, thinking that you had some issue that was something with the game or the players.Obviously though, after you came back to main from your RP ban, it was evident this wasn't the case and you were just here to be the biggest ass possible. After you had left after ranting and raving for a fair bit in adminpms, I didn't ban you the first time on the off chance you really were just having a bad day and went to cool down. Suffice to say, you hadn't left to cool down and had come back even more heated than before. But at this point, reading your appeal I can obviously see your change in the way you write your sentences and the tone you're putting forth that it does feel like you are genuinely apologetic for your actions on that round. As the admin that dealt with the mainserver side of this issue, I would be willing to lift this ban in order for you to have a chance to redeem yourself.

However, I would also like to hear Blackmajor's opinion on this before the ban is touched. As he handled the Discord server and RPserver side of the bans.

But do not take this as sweeping the incident under the rug, if you do get unbanned, if an incident like this one repeats where you are utterly devoted to being as rude as possible to staff members, the permanant ban will be reapplied immediately,

Just going to sum this up quick.

TL;DR, Denied. Go get a vouch from a reputable server like Goon or VG etc.

During your time here, you were often quick to forms of aggression and instability over matters that could have been viewed as but mere minor inconveniences, often blowing things way out of proportion. The final straw of which, as you're certainly aware, being that massive debacle you went through the trouble of doing spanning several hours and various messages across platforms to express your anger over, again, what was compared to your reactions, a minor qualm.

While you've gone and written a lengthy apology admitting your faults, I literally have /zero/ guarantee that you won't just fall back to acting the same way, which if the behaviour is something intrinsic to yourself, then that's not something I can foresee as having a chance of changing with you so easily. So I won't be accepting this kind of appeal until you have some manner of /evidence/ to indicate yourself as having changed. Though that may be difficult, seeing as during your debacle you ended up being quality control banned from a few other servers too.

First off, I wanted to thank both of you for responding!

Like I said before, and will continue to say, I am devoted towards rectifying my previous behaviors, and I wouldn't feel justified in having the ban lifted without providing proof of a change in behavior to ensure this is never a repeat event.

Having had the time off to work on how I interact with others in this game has given me a lot of perspective into how hurtful I can be towards people who are entirely just trying to make the game a better place. I believe I can provide proof of that improvement, and provide proof of it being a sustainable change instead of a one-time occurrence.

The first vouch I can receive can be from any current staff at Sojourn. I have been highly involved in the community since I joined and absolutely anyone you speak to regarding my time there can describe nothing less than absolute sincere politeness. Since my second and third strike primarily involve my utter contempt for civility, having time to integrate into a server that many of your administration and playerbase are in as well should be sufficient in disclosing exactly how my behavior has changed. I am extremely confident that absolutely any person you speak to on the discord not only knows of me, but they will have absolutely nothing to remark on in terms of rude behavior/venomous actions/toxic attitude. Without a single account note on record in game either. I truly believe this will be sufficient to describe not only my commitment to improving myself, but also to show what other people see of that improvement.

I also almost got accepted for moderator on Sojourn, the only mark against me was my lack of experience with the Eris code and lack of time in the community(I applied two weeks in. It's been a month since then and I'm sure that won't be an issue now).

The second vouch I can retrieve would be from a larger server, Yogstation. I've had quite a lot of playtime there, but honestly I doubt I made a large enough impact to warrant notice, and my vouch would range from a "Hes a'ight" to "Who?". I've only had two notations placed on my account during my time there, the first from six months ago, the second four months ago. And while the first would undoubtedly prove that my previous actions were contemptible, it is proof from a person with much less introspection several months ago(who isn't appealing to you today), as well as having no repeat instances, which should show it as a one-off occurrence, an exception to the rule as opposed to the norm.



The second note on there I just straight up forgot which server I was on, to be entirely honest. Some dude beat the shit out of security guards multiple times and I judge Dredded him with a baton after multiple warnings and jailings. Tooootally forgot that you needed Captain's approval first on that server, so that's on me.

In the interest of full disclosure, you are entirely correct in my actions leading to me being QC banned from most major other servers. I haven't attempted to dodge those bans either(and won't), and I truly hope either of these vouches is sufficient as I doubt I'll be able to log in to ask any other admins about my behavior. I believe the only other major server I can currently access is Vorestation, which I've been on twice but don't believe would count towards an honest admission of growth or improved behavior since my time there is so limited.



Either way, once again I apologize to both of you in regards to what I said and did, there really is no excuse for how I treated you. I just hope we can work through it. Let me know if you require any additional notations, references, sources, etc.

I know I'm not affiliated with Citadel at this current time period anymore, but allow me to bring something up about what you said with your activity in sojourn. You just have not been near as active as anyone else that has played on the server. You've played once, that is it, but have been fairly active on the discord server. About a month since you joined at 8/23/19. Now, I'm going to be blunt here: The only one that actually knew you on sojourn was Wizard, no one knew you save for 'A cool guy but a bit memey on the discord occasionally'. That is it. Also plays a part why you weren't accepted. Now that I look at the date of your ban, I realize something...you came over to sojourn right after being banned from citadel not a week prior, and...apply for mod two weeks after? I'm genuinely confused.

Sorry, but I'm afraid sojourn won't be helping with this one. Again, I like you a lot, you seem really chill, but it wouldn't really help your case regardless.

And before I forget, I found where that picture you got of being told about you on sojourn was said. Think I'd forget hun? Look:

That was said after you applied.

Ow, right in the hubris.




To be clear though, I just cut out what I felt was irrelevant information in regards to the discord screen shot. As correspondence on the matter was solely between you and myself, I thought clarifying that the core reason against me was my lack of time on the server, and in the screen shot it clearly shows precisely what I had going for me. I apologize if it seemed like a ploy at misdirection, I honestly thought I had covered the entirety of the events clearly and used the picture as proof to my claims.

I am one of the three Headmins of Sojourn, and directly responsible for the creative direction of the server. As I provide oversight for both the lore development, the roadmap for planned game mechanics, the mapping team, and to a much lesser extent the code development of the server, I spend much of my time reading through the Sojourn discord, answering questions about lore, map, roadmap, and game mechanics as I'm able, and a lesser portion of my time actively managing goings-on within the game server. In that portion of time in which I have been on the game server, I have seen Zherno's character on the server perhaps once or twice, and I was only made aware of them through the admin log message when they entered cryo, or through the Pray command.

As such, I cannot in good faith vouch for them, because I do not have the benefit of a career of in-game activity to judge their person as changed or not. They talk on the discord a fair amount, yes, but there's not anything for me to speak on regarding in-game behaviour, aside from their lack of activity ingame.

So before this trend continues, I gravely misinterpreted how much of an impact I made on Sojourn, and how vouches work.

I'll rescind this appeal formally, I won't be able to get a vouch currently, or later. What is abundantly clear is my lack of knowledge on what vouches are or how to get them, you'll have to forgive me as that isn't expressly listed anywhere and everyone I've spoken to about it is extremely cagey on it's details of acquiring. I'm convinced this will not be a possible goal for me, and that's my problem.

I said what I needed to say to the admin team whom I wronged, that's the most important part. Thanks for your time.

This confusion is understandable, the concept of a vouch is not clearly laid out anywhere. Basically what we're looking for with a vouch is that you've gone to play on another server at least somewhat like ours (ie not very lax in terms of rules, super memey, etc.) for a significant amount of playtime and that you have demonstrated good behaviour during your time on that other server, contrary to what got you banned from our server. Essentially, play on another server for long enough that you can demonstrate to their admins that you are a good player and a net positive member of a SS13 community, and then have those admins say as much to us. That's what the term means - we want admins from another server to vouch for your good behaviour.

Hopefully this makes it clear what our expectations are moving forwards. I'll be moving this to denied because, as you say, you don't really have a vouch at the moment, but please feel free to make a new appeal once you do get a proper vouch. I can't give solid numbers as to how many hours of playtime or how many weeks spent in the community of another server before a vouch will be "valid" - that's up to the staff of that other server. I would recommend not asking for a vouch with less than say twenty hours of playtime over a few weeks, and remember to mention to admins that you're looking for a vouch at the start of this timeframe so they can keep an eye on you and more confidently vouch for your actions at the end of it. Best of luck.