Admin Complaint - CawingCrow

[Sylas]

Gladwyn, with the logic youre using, scientists making toxins bombs to test them would be breaking the rules by your definition.

This guy didnt have ill intent, and made an effort to not damage the station. If it was a 16x16 space, thats well beyond the 10x7, so ***6 damaged station tiles*** is not worth a ban.

BoH bombing was nerfed to be not as dangerous and guaranteed to be lethal, he even expressed the reason he was testing it was because he didnt believe they still did something they used to.

The bombing wasnt dont with malice, their intent wasnt to kill anyone, they didnt intend to damage the station.
There is nothing against the rules about ***testing a potentially lethal mechanic***, keyword potentially. In fact, in rule one, subrule four, it states INTENTIONALLY.

This guy didnt break a rule, so you shouldnt have punished him, period. Warned him to be more careful? Yeah. But he didnt break a rule. The only reason BoH bombing BEFORE was a guaranteed ban was because of the fact they used to spawn a singularity. They now only spawn a minimally damaging chasm that can be fixed with a stack of metal or two, said chasm was only proven lethal because of an oversight on the handling admins' parts, who shouldnt have interfered with it anyways because of the fact it was a secret round AND it wasnt a genuine breach of the rules.


Tl;dr, he didnt break a rule. He shouldnt have been banned.

[Ragolution]

Holy shit simmer down

[geemiesif]

All I am going to add is that there is a dialog that pops up before you do it, that says what is going to happen, and this person did it anyways. boh bombing is a bannable grief sort of thing last i checked.

[kevinz000]

I'm first going to add that I'm the one who tried to fix it and I apologize for any deaths that occurred, it seems that buildmode fill was not as perfect as I thought. Not being able to fix it is an issue with admincode buildmode and it shouldn't be part of the banning process, as I know first-hand that it CAN be fixed perfectly before the changes that made turfs placed on top instead of overwritten.

[kevinz000]

With that said, BoHbombing is still an action akin to maxcapping (or even more destructive) and should only be reserved for last-ditch scenarios or another situation where you can legitimately maxcap the station.
I don't know why Jade is being so hostile when the rift CAN AND WILL KILL PEOPLE because of the more or less (to my observation) random drop location with the singularity in the center and the ladders sending you to random locations in dangerous areas like space and lavaland. It permanently renders an area of the station potentially a deathtrap, even the floors placed will still reveal the chasms when broken. While it is technically "Fixable" I'd argue it still isn't something to do willy-nilly.
That said, banning them for my fuckup is also uncalled for. They're not responsible for our fixes fucking up, and I should have checked better. Once again, sorry to those involved. I think the ban should have remained at 480 for them clipping escape, if not less, but that's another argument. I don't blame cawingcrow for it, I don't think they acted out of line. This is why stuff like appeals exist. No one's information is perfect, if we were perfect we'd have fixed it properly
I'd personally probably have noted them for it but I'm not arguing against a short ban as a slap on the wrist to not do this stuff (not in admin complaints board anyways go take it to appeals for the rest of it) before informing the station and not just the captain (me) and if they did do that I didn't hear so that'd be my bad too, correct me if I'm wrong.

[CawingCrow]

Gladwyn, with the logic youre using, scientists making toxins bombs to test them would be breaking the rules by your definition.

What are you on about? Scientists, who try out their toxin bombs at the escape shuttle get the same treatment, if they cause unexpected destruction or injuries. There is a bomb test area in science, so why going to escape in the first place?

This guy didnt have ill intent, and made an effort to not damage the station. If it was a 16x16 space, thats well beyond the 10x7, so ***6 damaged station tiles*** is not worth a ban.

If thats the case, then they should have left the Z-level or message an admin. A huge message pop up, explaining what will happen when combining two Bag of holdings. If they ignore it, then they should face consequences. It doesn't matter how big that area was, it still caused deaths.
"It's not worth a ban" Subjective. Some folks and me included say otherwise.

The bombing wasnt dont with malice, their intent wasnt to kill anyone, they didnt intend to damage the station.
There is nothing against the rules about ***testing a potentially lethal mechanic***, keyword potentially. In fact, in rule one, subrule four, it states INTENTIONALLY.

intentionally or not, they should have picked a better spot or not doing it in the first place. Admins/Mentors exist to answer questions. If you test out a firearm in public, the police will shit on you as well, even though you had no intent to shoot anyone.

This guy didnt break a rule, so you shouldnt have punished him, period.

You're not my boss and secondly, people do agree with me and think, that the ban is appropriate.

They now only spawn a minimally damaging chasm that can be fixed with a stack of metal or two, said chasm was only proven lethal because of an oversight on the handling admins' parts, who shouldnt have interfered with it anyways because of the fact it was a secret round AND it wasnt a genuine breach of the rules.

It was Secret, we had Antagonists killing crew, there were enough people in space,the shuttle was on its way and it killed people.
So, no. Should have went to lavaland or something, not at the escapse docking station.

Tl;dr, he didnt break a rule. He shouldnt have been banned.

You do look like an asshole, if you act that way. I'm trying to explain my reasoning in a normal manner here.

[CawingCrow]

Kevin, people knew that the floors were still death traps. Lilly tried to fix them and got pushed, thanks to atmos, into the chasm and died instantly.

[kevinz000]

also jade I don't know where you have it from that we shouldn't interfere at all with something just because it's secret and not technically grief.

[deathride58]

Throwing my two cents into the public thread. I hate OP's guts but yeah, extending the ban was a little excessive given the reason as to why it was extended. However, the initial ban was a little lenient considering the inherent destructiveness of the action alongside the user's previous bans and notes on Main. I'll leave the decisions of what actions are to be taken up to the other head admins, as I'm aware of my own personal bias against the user in question, and would very much rather someone neutral towards them to take action.

Also for the people who haven't played main or TG in the past year or so that're coming in and throwing their two cents in: BoH bombing was reworked by TG quite a while ago. It no longer spawns a free-range singulo. Instead, it spawns a localized 15x15 chasm with a large stationary singulo in the center. BoH chasms teleport the user to a completely random spot within the playable z-level boundaries, though the randomization is weighted to prioritize the stationary singulo as the teleportation location over all else. Due to quirks in how the baseturf system works along with how hacky the admin tools are, this means that bugs may start occurring if players attempt to manipulate turfs affected by the BoH bomb after an admin repairs the area with admin tools, which is exactly what ended up happening.

[Snowdragon01]

I'm going to have to agree with jade here.