[kevinz000]Vekkina - Note removal appeal

[Vekkina]

BYOND account and character name: Vekkina - D3THGR1P5

Banning admin: kevinz000

Ban type/duration (where you are banned from and for how long): Warning note applied, permanent

Note application:
2019-09-10 18:20:06 | CitadelStation | Kevinz000


"As a security cyborg, attempted to tell the crew to kill cultists on crewsimov ("TERIMINATION RECOMMENDED" which I'm taking as a kill order since they never clarified combined with the others) as well as personally harmbatonning enough to crit one and severly injure several other cultists over the course of enough time to make me consider it unacceptable amounts of "lag time" for noticing that they were on harm intent. They said it's an accident and it's believable enough. This is staying as a note because they have an otherwise flawless history. Please do not do this again. Also told to never play silicon for the purpose of being security as silicons obey their laws first and foremost and are NOT there for security, only to follow their laws, just in case this was ever unclear."


Your side of the story: D3THGR1P5 is a mediborg main that sings "Death Grips", "The Prodigy" and "Zardonic" songs via comms in full caps, all of his speech patterns are made in full caps unless ordered otherwise, he makes offhanded comments about possibly causing crew harm or asking "IS WELDING SOMEONES FACE TO A WALL CONSIDERED HARM?" while also asking HoP for access to atmospherics to "-NOT- FLOOD THE STATION WITH NEURAL GAS", yes he is a borg that asks for access. While also complaining about his laws not letting him hurt anyone or baptise the station in "HOLY FIRE".

In the round D3THGR1P5 received orders to destroy RnD consoles in engineering due to concerns from science, so he did, numerous times, Engineering told him to leave the area, which he complies with and proceeds to leave the area, only to return on active "Law 2, destroy any RnD consoles outside science", Engineering didn't like this, and thus proceeded to flash D3THGR1P5 and move him out of engineering by force, only for him to re-activate and continue destroying their built consoles, when beepsky went into engineering and proceeded to tase two of the engineers, they assumed AI is rogue and proceeded to flash and destroy me, then toss me into a locker, which they welded, and then encased in reinforced glass, only for AI shell to come and take me out of it, only for said AI shell to get destroyed by the same engineering team afterwards.

After receiving repairs and being re-activated D3THGR1P5 shouted out that engineering is attempting mutiny and willingly destroy borgs, which he also screamed "TERIMINATION RECOMMENDED" or "TERMINATION SUGGESTED" in the context of removing their work contracts, because he is aware of Law 1 binding him. D3THGR1P5 is practically forced into Sec module after AI confirming active cult on the station, as soon as that happens D3THGR1P5 leaves robotics and encounters Four cultists which all have blood halos and swords attacking two crew, being low on battery and trying to hotkey stun baton into my module tab I batoned all four cultists, while my baton is constantly getting de-activated from my active modules, only after the combat I noticed I am in active harm mode, which I immediately switch to Friendly mode. Afterwards was time getting admin PM's from Kevinz000

Why you think your note should be removed:

The "TERMINATION SUGGESTED" comments before before cult was confirmed, I consider the line "As a security cyborg, attempted to tell the crew to kill cultists on crewsimov " being factually incorrect as I had no knowledge of a cult beforehand, nor specific comments about killing "Cult" or "Cultists" were even mentioned, as well as from Kevinz000 reasoning in admin PM's he viewed this as extreme considering it was in full caps, but as I mentioned earlier, D3THGR1P5 shouts -everything- in full caps.

Harm baton and me not being more clear with my termination comment is an oversight on my part, Harm baton most likely happened when I was hotkeying my modules while having them pulled back by low power, fumbling with my controls most likely lead into me setting harm mode on by accident, this is an oversight on my part.

"Also told to never play silicon for the purpose of being security as silicons obey their laws first and foremost and are NOT there for security, only to follow their laws, just in case this was ever unclear." Kevinz000 never mentioned in PM's anything referring to this line or any message about not playing a security borg, this is also factually incorrect as D3THGR1P5 never relied on space law, and the context of "Sillicons obey their laws first and foremost" paints the fact that I ignore my laws in the first place, which all other actions in the round previously deny this, I also try to say in IC that D3THGR1P5 despite making violent comments and asking for his lollipop gun to be replaced by a 5.56 Gatling gun, is fully self-aware about his laws and what exactly he is permitted to do.

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I also do not seem to understand the context of: "This is staying as a note because they have an otherwise flawless history."; Kevinz000 also mentioned in his admin pm's suspicions about "Noone noting you" I do not want to be suspected of having my notes edited or suspicions about evading notes in the first place and I do not want factually incorrect notes attached to my Ckey

[kevinz000]

Yeah no TERMINATION RECOMMENDED does not speak "work contract" to me considering you never specified it as such and literally right afterwards the cult went loud. That was what the initial ahelp was about, btw, you calling for cultists to be terminated as someone had said, rather than the harmbatonning. I actually noticed the harmbatonning in attack logs afterwards.
I'm not allowing harmbatonning that goes that long to be unnoted either, you should be careful enough to not have this happen if you're playing a secborg, no excuses whether from you or anyone else for that. This wasn't a you hit them once on harm intent on accident this was you beating people for a full
Line 1617: [2019-09-10 18:11:33.868] ATTACK: Vekkina/(D3THGR1P5) has attacked drewfus/(Drew Mint) with stunbaton[DC] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 90) (Starboard Primary Hallway (144, 128, 2))
Line 2306: [2019-09-10 18:20:06.109] ATTACK: Vekkina/(D3THGR1P5) has attacked Everoth/(Pierroth) with stunbaton[DC] (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 30.6) (Brig (115, 169, 2))
yeah that's a full 30 seconds.
As for being told to not play silicon for that purpose

[2019-09-10 18:18:44.133] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Kevinz000/(REDACTED)->Vekkina/(D3THGR1P5): You have a flawless history (or no one has been noting you).
[2019-09-10 18:20:10.399] ADMINPRIVATE: Kevinz000/(REDACTED) has created a note for Vekkina: As a security cyborg, attempted to tell the crew to kill cultists on crewsimov as well as personally harmbatonning enough to crit one and severly injure several other cultists.\nThis would normally be a weekban from silicons from me but they have a flawless history.\nPlease do not do this again. Also told to never play silicon for the purpose of being security as silicons obey their laws first and foremost and are NOT there for security, only to follow their laws.\nSiliconban on next offense.

I then edited it again after talking with you on discord. I'd swear I had sent something else between the note and the last message because saying "you have a flawless history" is not a very useful way of ending a ticket but I guess I didn't???? what the fuck
Hm. I'll remove the last part from the note about having told you not to do so because apparently I never messaged you anything even though I'm trying to remember why/how I managed to close a ticket with "You have a flawless history (or no one has been noting you)." instead of something more definitive.

Rest of the note however, stays. I don't think termination was clear enough to not mistake as a kill command with the cult shennanigans going on, and I definitely don't think a 30 second lag time in noticing oyu were harmbatonning is acceptable for anyone, secborgs, secoffs, and a random guy with a baton alike.

The context of "this is staying as a note because they have an otherwise flawless history" is that I didn't ban you from silicons or go further than that because you haven't done anything noted in the past (or that no one had noted anything when they did see it and I don't know so hence the mention, it wasn't acted on though) so this doesn't need to be anything other than a warning.
Be more careful as a secborg and don't appear to be validhappy or people will think you are validhappy even if you aren't.