[Crashinator08] goldnharl - Main headban for capcurity and flashing

[goldnharl]

Byond account and character name
SadisticBatter / Aeki Tayaba

Banning admin
Crashinator08

Ban type
Headban - permanent

Ban reason
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Your side of the story

I’m going to keep this relatively short and try to stick to important information. If I leave anything important out please do say so, I just don’t want to clog with an entire recount.

Granted this was a bit ago so bear with me for not having specific facts

I heard there were lings aboard the station, and was doing everything in my power to, well, validhunt them as the captain due to a security team that was struggling to handle them. At no point during the round did any other department head contact me for help / advice or anything that would take my attention away from security dealing with the highly non stealthy lings.

Now, during all of this, there was a mime, a poor poor mike who I feel was just. The unluckiest of bastards. This poor mime was making a habit of constantly breaking into the bridge basically to just dab on me and sit in chairs. Dude was chill, and just being a nuisance, so I didn’t really do much other than throw him out.

However, some ling had probably noticed said mime constantly breaking into the bridge, and disguised as said mime. Broke into the bridge, and started doing his routine. I, of course, currently being in like the sixth iteration of Mr Mimes journey into my favorite chair, went to bap him with a baton, before he exploded, obliterating all of his limbs and doing major brute damage to me. At first I thought that the mike had been murdered, before he got up, at which point I shot him dead due to being a ling. He revived once more, and received the same treatment.

Now /just/ before this I had killed a ninja on the round, and was In possession of his weapon. This will come into play later

So, shuttle arrives due to I believe an early call. It’s still fairly late into the round. So I grab the corpse and start sprinting to the cremator.

However, a medical doctor sees me dragging the corpse towards the chapel and stops me. I proceed to scream, hey dude. This is a channeling, move. Before they rip it out of my hands and sprint into the shuttle.

So, I chase after them because hey wait ling man bad. And when I sprint into the shuttle, just where she dragged the mime off my screen seconds ago towards, was a mime with tools out standing next to the bridge. I proceeded to magdump the poor guy, before he stood up twice more, getting more bullets into him the whole time. I had thought this was the same mime, however, I’d been had. The real changeling had either hidden or switched in the 5 seconds between the doctor dragging him off my screen and me seeing the mime.

Heat of the moment.

My warden, not believing that it was a changeling id just obliterated, ten seconds before the shuttle launched, attempted to arrest me before I used my sword to teleport into the bridge.

At this point, a borg without acting on my orders - in fact against direct orders from me - bolted off The bridge so the warden couldn’t get to me.

Then, the shuttle launched, and we were in space

The mime died on the floor.

Why you should be unbanned

I’d like to start this off with an apology to that mime. I hope they read this and understand how brutally I’d been bamboozled. They deserved so much better, and the poor sweetheart was caught in the crossfire

Now, onto the capcurity part. I don’t.... believe being capcurity is against the rules. Not accounting for the mime getting just. Fucking murdered, I don’t agree with being headbanned for that, as no other department required or requested my input or assistance. Frankly speaking, I had little else to do than to attempt to manage the shitshow.

Now onto the flashing part. It was a prisoner in a cell, who I attempted to change the time on as I heavily disagreed with the brevity of the sentence. I for the life of me can’t remember what it was, so input on that would be appreciated. I changed the time, and the door slid open. They stepped forwards, and I thought they were attempting to escape, so I flashed them. My warden asked me what I was doing, and I jokingly said “eyes are a privilege, not a right” before flashing them again. The second one was unnecessary and I will readily admit it was rude of me.

I’ve been flashed constantly before and I hated it, so I also want to extend an apology to that prisoner. Eyes are not a privilege, they’re a right.

Lastly, onto the crowning moment of the shitshow. I feel I was heavily bamboozled, and tricked by a changeling. Using their changeling powers to trick me in a very specific and calculated way, which paid off. Although I cannot express how guilty I felt that the poor mime was the ultimate victim of that exchange, and I lament that I did not have the time to properly confirm the situation as the shuttle was actively leaving, I do not believe it warrants a permanent headban. Someone played An antag in a very specifically deceitful way, and it paid off in earnest. I acted rashly, but at the time I felt it was fully necessary.

Sadly, I was entirely wrong.

Now, although I disagree with the permanent headban, I fully understand the reasoning behind it, and can readily admit my mistakes. I acted rashly, and deprived the station of its morlet important resource, a captain who isn’t currently shooting the mime to death.

If an entire headban can’t be reasoned for, which although I would dislike, I would again understand, I would at least appeal for it to be rolled back into a Captain/Head of security ban, as I readily enjoy playing head roles that are much less expected to be combatants/ Valid hunters. Being QM is some of my favorite experience in SS13, and I really want to try out RD now that I have science experience.

If there’s anything else that needs to be discussed / accounted with, I may not be home for like. 4-5 ish hours so if i have a late response today please understand.

[DiscordWizard]

How long ago was this? I remember being a warden when a captain flashed a prisoner and dropped that line. Anyways, even if I am vehemently against capcurity outside of really dire situations or few to no sec, I do feel like you are a good enough player to play a head role without abusing it, atleast one that's not HoS or Captain if other admins with more information say no to this.

[HazelBailey]

So before I weigh in on my decision for this, I'd like to quickly break down your responses and explain how this weighed into my decision to reapply your headban.

Now, onto the capcurity part. I don’t.... believe being capcurity is against the rules. Not accounting for the mime getting just. Fucking murdered, I don’t agree with being headbanned for that, as no other department required or requested my input or assistance. Frankly speaking, I had little else to do than to attempt to manage the shitshow.

Playing capcurity absolutely is against the rules. Just one of those cases where it's not fully laid out like it should be. Allow me to bring up rule 7.1 and the additional information just below.

7.1 - Do not abandon your job to search out, hunt for, or attack antagonists unless it is related to your department's field of work, or unless you or nearby crew-members are under a direct and immediate threat from an antagonist.

Additional Information - The line between validhunting and defending yourself can be grey, but a general rule of thumb is that if it's not your job to directly confront an antagonist, your goal should be to survive and escape, not to try to kill or subdue them.

This is where the issue with playing capcurity comes into play. When there are four members of security on station, they should be left to do their jobs. Your job as Captain is to 'manage the shitshow' as you very accurately put it. Captains are managers, and singlehandedly carry the two most valuable antag targets. So the last thing you should be doing is hunting down antags and putting yourself in harm's way.

Now onto the flashing part. It was a prisoner in a cell, who I attempted to change the time on as I heavily disagreed with the brevity of the sentence. I for the life of me can’t remember what it was, so input on that would be appreciated. I changed the time, and the door slid open. They stepped forwards, and I thought they were attempting to escape, so I flashed them. My warden asked me what I was doing, and I jokingly said “eyes are a privilege, not a right” before flashing them again. The second one was unnecessary and I will readily admit it was rude of me.

I’ve been flashed constantly before and I hated it, so I also want to extend an apology to that prisoner. Eyes are not a privilege, they’re a right.

Dont need to say much here because you know what you did was wrong and covered the issue all on your own.

Lastly, onto the crowning moment of the shitshow. I feel I was heavily bamboozled, and tricked by a changeling. Using their changeling powers to trick me in a very specific and calculated way, which paid off. Although I cannot express how guilty I felt that the poor mime was the ultimate victim of that exchange, and I lament that I did not have the time to properly confirm the situation as the shuttle was actively leaving, I do not believe it warrants a permanent headban. Someone played An antag in a very specifically deceitful way, and it paid off in earnest. I acted rashly, but at the time I felt it was fully necessary.

This kinda falls into why you shouldn't be playing capcurity and why validhunting is bad. The mime was gunned down because you immediately unloaded on what you thought was an antag and opened fire on the person that looked like the shapeshifting monster whose job it is to deceive and trick you. By failing to even attempt to confirm if a target was a changeling or not, someone unrelated was killed and the changeling went free.

So to conclude on this rundown. You ran around breaking the validhunting rule as captain, which technically breaks the "Fulfill your role" rule as well. This was a week after your previous perma headban had been lifted, which left me (and other admins I spoke to at the time) feeling like you hadn't learned your lesson from the last one. Combine this with the fact that half of the note entries in your notes page mentioned poor head of staff behavior, and it's pretty easy to see why I opted to reapply the ban.


Moving on to if I'll lift the ban or not. I wont fully lift it, not yet. You have three headbans at this point, two of which are permanent, so I cant in good faith simply lift the ban. However, what I am willing to do is lift the QM ban for now, and if you can go a month without picking up any more negative head of staff notes, I'll lift the rest. HOWEVER, if during this time, or for a time (we'll say two months) you do something that warrants a head ban, the headbans will be reapplied, and have zero chance for appeal.

Once you've read this and confirm that you agree with these terms, I'll go ahead and lift the QM ban.

[goldnharl]

Thank you <3 I appreciate the lift, and I won’t let you down. Will I be expected to actively play head at least somewhat during that time? I’m entirely fine with doing so, I just want to confirm. Thanks again for hearing my case and giving me a chance to prove my ability to change

The main reason I was surprised by the notion of capcurity is. Well. You’re the first person I’ve seen /ever/ point it out as a negative thing. Although that in no way excuses my behavior, I hope it at least shows the point performance comes from genuine ignorance on part to the inconsistency of ruling rather than willful dismissal of said rules. I don’t expect this to be taken into account I just wanted to clear things up

[HazelBailey]

So some degree just to prove you can show improvement, but you dont have to play QM all the time. Anyway, lifting the QM ban now.

Edit: And yes I know nobody bwoinks for capcurity BS. Hopefully that'll change to how it should be, soon.