Strictly speaking, the wording of the rule, as written is '...players should not be forced to read your erotic scene...', then I'm extra not seeing how this was escalated to a ban. From my interpretation, it clearly revolves around the idea of a sexual roleplay scene and not just someone making dirty jokes at the expense of those around them. In this case, I don't believe Von was acting in bad faith of the rule... he probably just didn't think a slightly heated conversation qualified as ERP, which to be frank, is something I'd agree with. It's oriented around 'scenes', as it's written, but I'll be waiting for a bit more context on Carstein's previous ban before I suggest anything else.
You also didn't ask them in LOOC, you decided to provoke and antagonize them in say chat, so by the written rule you have absolutely no protection when it comes to 'informing' them that you thought their conversation was too sexual for public areas. You may have missed that in the rule you're quoting. I'd recommend you read the rule in question before you try to throw it at the wall again. Rule 10, sub 10.Snowdragon01 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:19 amUpon asking them to stop I was given a very bad attitude and told they would talk about feteshis(sic) in detail.
They then ignored it and started talking about hotdogging another and "leg up full frontal."
Even if it was considered a scene, verbalizing to someone in say isn't the same as trying to ask them to move somewhere else/simmer down in LOOC. Much like a Prayer/Subtlemessage isn't the same as an AdminPM. I personally don't think that what they were doing constitutes a 'scene', but I will add that I think the wording on that rule should really be refined to either specifically refer to graphic sexual acts, or just any lascivious content whatsoever. And, honestly, if that becomes the case, it's a little bit of a dick move to punish someone who retroactively violated the rule that was just changed.Public ERP - Public scenes are defined as scenes easily visible to the public whether from sprite-nudity or from non-subtle emotes in a public location. You must comply if someone asks you to take your scene elsewhere in LOOC, whether by using subtle or finding a semi-private or private location. Players should not be forced to read your erotic scene while walking through the halls or their own department. If a majority of a non-important semi-public room (like bar clubroom or library game room) is in on a scene, find somewhere else instead of attempting to break it up - even if you do not like their scene.
Also, I'm gunna say it, since I'm not an admin anymore: Of course it was this dude. Of course it was. You're all completely and legitimately entitled to tell me 'Rag your opinion doesn't matter, you haven't played on this server since 1999' and scold me for Peanut Gallery-ing, but you fuckin' know exactly what I mean with this shit. I swear it was one thing or the other at least once a week. No, not Von. Not Teak.
From my perspective this kind of seems like weaponized rule lawyering, possibly even done on someone else's behalf, and honestly, don't take this the wrong way; but if I was gunna perma Carstein, I'd find a better reason for it. I can't begrudge anyone not liking anyone else, hell I hate Ana Bowchief, but I'd prefer that people either be honest and say 'yr banned because i hate u >:(' or be evenhanded about how punishments are delivered. Admins do have the 'Quality Control' slash 'Community Standards' ban up their sleeve for reasons like this. I might be wrong on this, but I've always encouraged people to hand off responsibility when they feel they're getting salty, emotional or overinvested. All nitpicking does is show people how easy it is to get on your bad side, but I'll save the lecture on 'How 2 Be Goodmin' for my CitAdmin Gospel Volume 2. Available on Amazon in late 2022.