Ban Appeal: Chefferz [Discord Ban]

[raiq]

BYOND Name: Chefferz

Reason Banned: Discord
 
Admin who banned: Arinann

Length Banned: Permanent

Appeal Reason:


I was explicitly asked to explain my old notes by an administrator, and I brought up the events that were directly asked of me. Never at any point did I imply I was doing absolutely nothing wrong. I told you guys specifically that I took a break so things could be significantly more chill.


At no point did I ever -demand- a scene from anyone,
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You can ask anyone I regularly talk to that I talk fairly lewd, if it was ever brought up to me to stop or mentioned it was bad at any point I would have stopped. The ONLY person that I can even think of in that regard would be Kenzie, and I was trying to explain to them in Discord about vore related things, and I was attempting to explain my curiosity about some aspects of it I had never done before.

As far as the current issue that just happened, I never once implied that I shouldn't have done what I did with the RD/Robotics, I was giving my feelings towards it and that I explicitly volunteered to be a borg because of no AI, and when asked to be force slaved to an AI that wanted to meme me, I didn't want to. When I got back, I was put back in my body by the CE and cloned, then tried to find my ID.

Note that the RD added me on discord later and also stated that Ruby was telling them not to not unborg me. There was absolutely no reason to unborg me, and if I wasn't unborged I was going to ghost.

Ruby Flamewing tends to constantly admin when overly stressed out, and states such in OOC constantly. From my understanding they were also the ones who kicked me from the discord despite Leon saying he wasn't going to. I understand that situations tend to get frustrating but I've been playing for the past three weeks and only had the incident with the plasma in which I 100% admitted I overreacted by the plasma, but had assumed someone was a traitor. Other incidents/notes are completely bizarre like the note from Worgalisk in which a person admitted IC that they welder bombed a tile and plasma tile to "see how strong it was" and I was attempting to get them medical aid in the process of them being brigged.

[Cabbose]

I have no idea what we're specifically discussing here but you are easily the most stress inducing player I've ever played with on any server, ever.

Bar none.

[raiq]

I have no idea what we're specifically discussing here but you are easily the most stress inducing player I've ever played with on any server, ever.

Bar none.

I'm not disagreeing that I can be extremely forward. Please understand that i literally just finished 8 years in the military and that's how things functioned for me in reality, I am more blunt than people are used to, I cut straight to the point and don't sugarcoat anything.

I am sure that we all can agree that this game tends to be an emotional rollercoaster, and I took a break specifically because it was starting to affect my reality, and make me unhappy to be playing it.

[Slomka]

I really don’t wanna be mean but what being blunt person and military job have to do with forcing others to do things you wanna do and annoying/griefing other players. I can honestly say I’m not saint but I try to be helpfull on secret rounds but I’ve seen you slipping sec steling thier stuff and saying „they deserved this” not to mention that you keep doing grief-related stuff on secret gamemode :v

[raiq]

I really don’t wanna be mean but what being blunt person and military job have to do with forcing others to do things you wanna do and annoying/griefing other players. I can honestly say I’m not saint but I try to be helpfull on secret rounds but I’ve seen you slipping sec steling thier stuff and saying „they deserved this” not to mention that you keep doing grief-related stuff on secret gamemode :v

I've not forced anyone to do anything they didn't want to do.

And you're giving zero examples. The only time I've ever slipped people was as a clown to steal shoes, and that was months ago.

[Ruby Flamewing]

Raiq, I'll say these two things and I'll be done with it.

First, I didn't ban you from the Discord. In fact, I was beaten to it by just 2 seconds because I was fixing a typo. So please don't claim it was someone without absolute proof that it was them.

Second, your behavior since I first encountered you has been largely the same: you antagonize people to a degree that you don't outright break the rules, but you skirt the edges and bend them through whatever loophole you can find with them. You have been THE MOST metagrudged player I have had the displeasure of encountering, and THAT CERTAINLY MUST SAY SOMETHING. My brother's in the military, and has been for some time now - guess what? He's not an insufferable cunt to everyone around him when playing an online game with people.
YOU, on the other hand, have seemingly made it your mission in life to be as unpleasant, provocative, and generally despised player that most players will ever encounter in this game. Part of this is because at least the others who attempt to reach such levels of such abhorrent behavior are banned relatively swiftly, as they are simply griefers being a dick and being booted because they don't care. YOU are, in your own unique category that I cannot think of one who could ever qualify to fit into it as well, a very, VERY unique griefer. The sort that cannot be banned, because they don't do anything concrete, anything DAMNABLE enough to be pinned to the wall for. But you put everyone around you in a state of not wanting to be anywhere near you, have anything to DO with you, and bring naught but dread and a subconscious comprehension that with you online and on the server, "fun" is no longer a thing if it is not YOUR "fun".

Like I said in the Discord, the fact that the moment your name and the words "trouble on the server" are put into the same sentence, all I hear from people is groaning and a general desire to not want to even touch the matter with a eleven-and-a-half foot fucking pole says nothing good of your reputation. If you've made strides to be a better player, I have yet to see it. You remember back when Rule 1 was "don't be a dick"? I'm starting to wonder why people weren't nailing you for violating that so damn much before it was changed into a more blanket term of "do not grief". But every time trouble started to brew on the server, and you were involved, it seemed that it would constantly be a matter of you being nothing short of a dick to people.


Now, your day ban on the server is still a day ban. If you decide to come back to the server, that's on you. But after a year of dealing with this level of complete and utter bullshit from you, on behest of every staff member we've had since the day I joined the team and got introduced to your presence on the server, please. Follow the goddamn rules, and stop being such a goddamn shitter. We're here to have FUN, to enjoy a GAME with OTHERS. Or hell, maybe TYPEFUCK. But when you proceed to be nothing short of being a dick to people to have your OWN fun at the cost of it being fun for others, it's a problem. You have ahelped people doing so much as making remarks at you, yet you will beat a person into critical because they bumped into you a few times because of intents not being set to help on both sides.

Just follow the damn rules and think. Use common sense. I know it's not as common as the name suggests in this day and age, but goddamn, everyone has it. Just use it, please. It's not hard to stay out of trouble on the server - it really isn't. You just have to THINK and use COMMON SENSE to do it. If this is too much to ask for, of you or anyone in general, please tell me now, so I can just stop being such an optimistic goddamn person and do something else with my optimism.

[raiq]

Raiq, I'll say these two things and I'll be done with it.

First, I didn't ban you from the Discord. In fact, I was beaten to it by just 2 seconds because I was fixing a typo. So please don't claim it was someone without absolute proof that it was them.

Second, your behavior since I first encountered you has been largely the same: you antagonize people to a degree that you don't outright break the rules, but you skirt the edges and bend them through whatever loophole you can find with them. You have been THE MOST metagrudged player I have had the displeasure of encountering, and THAT CERTAINLY MUST SAY SOMETHING. My brother's in the military, and has been for some time now - guess what? He's not an insufferable cunt to everyone around him when playing an online game with people.
YOU, on the other hand, have seemingly made it your mission in life to be as unpleasant, provocative, and generally despised player that most players will ever encounter in this game. Part of this is because at least the others who attempt to reach such levels of such abhorrent behavior are banned relatively swiftly, as they are simply griefers being a dick and being booted because they don't care. YOU are, in your own unique category that I cannot think of one who could ever qualify to fit into it as well, a very, VERY unique griefer. The sort that cannot be banned, because they don't do anything concrete, anything DAMNABLE enough to be pinned to the wall for. But you put everyone around you in a state of not wanting to be anywhere near you, have anything to DO with you, and bring naught but dread and a subconscious comprehension that with you online and on the server, "fun" is no longer a thing if it is not YOUR "fun".

Like I said in the Discord, the fact that the moment your name and the words "trouble on the server" are put into the same sentence, all I hear from people is groaning and a general desire to not want to even touch the matter with a eleven-and-a-half foot fucking pole says nothing good of your reputation. If you've made strides to be a better player, I have yet to see it. You remember back when Rule 1 was "don't be a dick"? I'm starting to wonder why people weren't nailing you for violating that so damn much before it was changed into a more blanket term of "do not grief". But every time trouble started to brew on the server, and you were involved, it seemed that it would constantly be a matter of you being nothing short of a dick to people.


Now, your day ban on the server is still a day ban. If you decide to come back to the server, that's on you. But after a year of dealing with this level of complete and utter bullshit from you, on behest of every staff member we've had since the day I joined the team and got introduced to your presence on the server, please. Follow the goddamn rules, and stop being such a goddamn shitter. We're here to have FUN, to enjoy a GAME with OTHERS. Or hell, maybe TYPEFUCK. But when you proceed to be nothing short of being a dick to people to have your OWN fun at the cost of it being fun for others, it's a problem. You have ahelped people doing so much as making remarks at you, yet you will beat a person into critical because they bumped into you a few times because of intents not being set to help on both sides.

Just follow the damn rules and think. Use common sense. I know it's not as common as the name suggests in this day and age, but goddamn, everyone has it. Just use it, please. It's not hard to stay out of trouble on the server - it really isn't. You just have to THINK and use COMMON SENSE to do it. If this is too much to ask for, of you or anyone in general, please tell me now, so I can just stop being such an optimistic goddamn person and do something else with my optimism.

You were intending on banning me from the discord, so assumptions aside, you were going to ban me regardless of Leon's statement that he wasn't going to, simply because you didn't like the answers to the questions that both you and Muffet were asking me. Your entire statement above reeks of hints and statements that you've been "trying to stamp me out" for a long time, and are itching for any and every reason using blanket terms like skirting the rules as a way. Please understand that the discord and the server are two entirely different entities, and that I was explicitly asked to explain prior notes and told that I had to talk about the ban on the admin chat channel.

You previously have taken advice I was trying to give you regarding events as a form of harassment, after you pissed off near the entire server by spamming 4x chain meteors back to back and then another station destroying event and attempted to call it an "event". You take any and every form of criticism personally to the point where if anyone disagrees or argues against you, you downright quit or bitch in OOC about how stressful you are. You yourself took a very long break on the server over a disagreement on how you died one time, and I know for a fact that your mere presence in the administration has caused enough issues with how hot headed you, yourself, get over doing the job you VOLUNTEERED to do. You're calling me out on having my own form of "fun" and say that I ruin rounds over it, but the only people that I even remotely "harass" are people whom I have a developed, longer term IC relationship with, lately. A good example would be Rick Stussel, who I pick on a lot regarding his IC weight and lazyness, but I do NOT grudge or act out other than petty IC banter. If he's critted or harmed in the hallway, I assist him, if we've got the same job, I don't act like a utter pain in the ass to them, I still do said job. I do not make it a point to ruin rounds of people, and actually, do not enjoy when others lack the consideration of others rounds (example being the recent string of murderboning w/o shuttle hijack) because all that does is make someone sit at a computer for hours+ waiting for a ghost role or the next round to happen. When you yourself use admin tools to make terrible decisions constantly on what you consider "fun" and then get livid/quit when people get upset at your decisions, you should also take a look in the mirror and stop being so sensitive to any form of criticism at all.

I am not saying that because you volunteered you deserve to get shit flung at you, I am one hundred percent aware of how I wasn't the greatest before I took the break, but choosing to remove someone from an entire community discord -and wipe- their chat history, was 1000% overkill, when I was explicitly asked to discuss old notes. I wasn't being an asshole about it, I wasn't being rude, and text can definitely convey different "tones" depending on how the viewer reads it. At no point was I warned, told to stop, ect. It was a sporadic, random kick, with a presumption and some other random stuff tossed in, in an attempt to cement it. Like the "creep out demanding a scene" example when I have never once done that of -anyone-.

Absolutely none of this has ANYTHING to do with the discord. I was asked, by an administrator, to explain old notes. I was copy pasting old notes and going line by line as asked. I wasn't being an asshole about it, I was giving short TL;DRs of what had happened. I never once said I was never wrong. I was giving context to the issues that logs cannot share, as I do with all of the issues that happen I am involved with.

I'll also say that there are only a small number of "regulars" that truly dislike me. I can state that there are far more people that like my IC personality than you're assuming or being lead to believe. You act like I am only here to grief and cause issues when I am not, that's simply a persona you've attached to me because I am too difficult for you to deal with and listen to my explanations of things, and choose to dismiss it as me "not learning/griefing" when the matter of fact is you just banned me from the discord for no reason other than spite. Deliberately ignoring a -hosts- comments regarding my non-removal, and even his comment that banning me would be completely unfair.

I did nothing to warrant a kick or ban from the discord. I have never once been previously kicked or banned from the discord, and have never even been -warned- about my behavior in the discord. I want this appeal to remain on topic regarding my discord ban. I am also aware that Ariann was the one who decided to not only ban me , but wipe ALL of my history on the server, so that alone should be taken care of.

[Ruby Flamewing]

On the matter of telling why you got each note, you were lying about a lot of them. According to other members of staff, at least.
And Leon said to drop the hammer on you with Discord, and to not do the same permaban regarding the server.

Should I consider stepping down as admin? Maybe. I find that I have a lot on my plate every time I hop on the server, and I never get to actually play the bloody game with people - instead, I'm playing free labor babysitter to people who are of an age that acting in such a way in public would at best bring shame and humiliation, and at worst time in a prison cell. And given that most of the staff have jobs and live in other time zones, I feel I'm the one picking a lot of the slack up - in reality, I just have shit luck, unless it's during graveyard hours, in which case we just don't have a staff member for that time, really.


But less about if I should be an admin and more about why we're here. Leon said drop the hammer, after staff were reporting you lying about the reasons you got those notes, and while it's not for me to speak for him, I wouldn't be surprised if you were being your usual "I'm right, end of story" gig. You do always claim to be in the right, even when you're not. You aren't the first to do it, nor will you be the last - but it doesn't work. If you're wrong, you're wrong.
Also, the removal of your messages was an accident, one that has been addressed already.

So let's just resume having this focus on the fact that you were banned from the Discord by ruling of a host, and let's just go from there, shall we?

[Vincent Airin]

First off, Ruby was NOT the person who banned you, I was indeed the person to ban you. This was after a conversation within the admin channel that your behavior was proving to be intolerable. You have a constant record of arguing with admins on every single rule, infraction or incident you're involved with and it was agreed at the time that such behavior was not to be allowed any longer. It's been made apparent that you have no intention of ever actually admitting to your own faults and shortcomings when it comes to any sense of authority. Starting trouble every time you are doled out punishment on server has been warned repeatedly Raiq. The ban in the discord was, as stated, agreed upon by the admins there in attendance. Now I will admit that the message deletion was a mistake on my part, I hadn't clicked the right drop down entry once I had finished typing.

As far as your claims that authority said not to ban you, they are entirely false baseless claims flung out at random to try and make yourself seem the blameless victim here. Such behavior will not be tolerated here either, I ask this wholeheartedly that you please take this time to calm yourself and reflect on how things led to these events rather than throwing wild accusations and slander at someone who did not actually apply the ban you are trying to appeal.

Vincent Airin: JDM 11/05/17

[raiq]

First off, Ruby was NOT the person who banned you, I was indeed the person to ban you. This was after a conversation within the admin channel that your behavior was proving to be intolerable. You have a constant record of arguing with admins on every single rule, infraction or incident you're involved with and it was agreed at the time that such behavior was not to be allowed any longer. It's been made apparent that you have no intention of ever actually admitting to your own faults and shortcomings when it comes to any sense of authority. Starting trouble every time you are doled out punishment on server has been warned repeatedly Raiq. The ban in the discord was, as stated, agreed upon by the admins there in attendance. Now I will admit that the message deletion was a mistake on my part, I hadn't clicked the right drop down entry once I had finished typing.

As far as your claims that authority said not to ban you, they are entirely false baseless claims flung out at random to try and make yourself seem the blameless victim here. Such behavior will not be tolerated here either, I ask this wholeheartedly that you please take this time to calm yourself and reflect on how things led to these events rather than throwing wild accusations and slander at someone who did not actually apply the ban you are trying to appeal.

Vincent Airin: JDM 11/05/17

Leon said verbatium that I was a headache but that he wouldn't ban me. I'm not "lying"or trying to fling baseless claims, I even said "Leon, that would be completely unfair" to which he stated "I agree, which is why I am not doing it." I was under the presumption that was regarding the ongoing discussion of notes.

And now that all my logs are wiped clean I have no proof to show you I wasn't "lying". I gave TL;DRs about some of them. You added needless fluff about me "making people feel creepy" in order to inflate and add to a reason on a -discord ban-, instead of simply telling me to stop talking about it. I have already talked to Poojawa, Muffet, and Sylas. The incident in question, with Sylas, was already addressed and smoothed over. I do not understand why that had to be added. Poojawa has no issue with me, and Muffet had no issue with me. Sylas has no issue with me. And for FULL CLARIFICATION, he was attempting to lewd me as a borg, and I was making him chase it. He got bored and huffy, and I apologized after he said he was in a bad mood and said I was just playing/come get me ect. The 2nd time he claimed I "law 2'ed him" he actually had 1) explicitly told me I could law 2 him whenever I wanted in a discord PM and 2) it was actually me law 2ing him to ignore orders unless they are life or death, as someone had stumbled upon us in maint and he was being given silly orders to try to get away from me by randoms.

I responded to an admins note paste, it's as simple as that. If you didn't want me to discuss it any further why was I asked to clarify notes.

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On the matter of telling why you got each note, you were lying about a lot of them. According to other members of staff, at least.
And Leon said to drop the hammer on you with Discord, and to not do the same permaban regarding the server.

Should I consider stepping down as admin? Maybe. I find that I have a lot on my plate every time I hop on the server, and I never get to actually play the bloody game with people - instead, I'm playing free labor babysitter to people who are of an age that acting in such a way in public would at best bring shame and humiliation, and at worst time in a prison cell. And given that most of the staff have jobs and live in other time zones, I feel I'm the one picking a lot of the slack up - in reality, I just have shit luck, unless it's during graveyard hours, in which case we just don't have a staff member for that time, really.


But less about if I should be an admin and more about why we're here. Leon said drop the hammer, after staff were reporting you lying about the reasons you got those notes, and while it's not for me to speak for him, I wouldn't be surprised if you were being your usual "I'm right, end of story" gig. You do always claim to be in the right, even when you're not. You aren't the first to do it, nor will you be the last - but it doesn't work. If you're wrong, you're wrong.
Also, the removal of your messages was an accident, one that has been addressed already.

So let's just resume having this focus on the fact that you were banned from the Discord by ruling of a host, and let's just go from there, shall we?

If Leon was the one who dropped the hammer can 1) you please post a screenshot of that and 2) clarify why I got a message from Poojawa stating Leon's response to the permaban on discord.

Leon - Today at 1:29 AM
but it was definitely justiefied
so w/e

That was in response to Ariann banning me.