Appeal, N0B0DY-1MP0R7AN7, but why

[NobodyImportant]

BYOND Name: N0B0DY-1MP0R7AN7
Reason Banned: Absolutely awful behavior displayed on all levels at once. Stalking and harassment of players both on and off the discord without taking no for an answer, attempted emotional manipulation in order to get their way.
Admin who banned: sgtryder
Length Banned: permanent
Appeal Reason:

To put it bluntly: What in the everloving Christ is is going on.

I seriously legitimately have no idea what is going on. Please let's clear this up!


The following is the sequence of events as they appear to me:
1: I was playing a normal shift normally and absolutely nicely and get suddenly bwoinked by an admin.
2: I am told that my character description is unacceptable and that i have harrassed people on discord
3: I haven't been active on the discord at this point for the past half day or so.
4: I found out that apparently the fact that the 21 year old character i was playing was described as "looking like in his mid teens" was now unacceptable and constituted playing an underage character.
5: This surprised me as that description has been unchanged for the past 5 years on multiple servers, including citadel, and not one of the players or indeed admins that i have played with ever brought it up as a bad thing up to today anywhere.
6: I was also told that i apparently harrassed a person.
7: I was more than shocked by this absolutely messeded up accusation as this is not even remotely true.
8: This started an argument in the admin-forum where the ruling was made that underage looking, but explicitly not underage characters were not allowed.
9: I accepted this ruling but was curious as to the reasoning behind it as it seemed really wild.
10: This unfortunately started a large shitshow and a long argument, which ended with me being chatbanned for prolonging the argument.
11: I asked what i could do to have the chatban removed.
12: I was told that i would have to write a formal apology apologizing for harassing "among others" Dragor, and for not stopping the debate.
13: I responded that the libelous accusation of harassment was awful, and that i never intended to turn that into a debate, i legitimately only wanted information because i like knowing what the hell is going on. Nonetheless i apologized for contributing to the prolongation of the drama as that really was not my intent and i could have found a better time and place to ask my questions. And asked what i could do to make people realize that the harassment accusations were in fact baseless.
14: Following this i was banned from the discord.
15: About half an hour later i was banned from the server.


The following were the two major points of the discussion on discord:
-Characters that are over 18 but look under 18 are no longer allowed. I have been informed of the reason for this through PMs as the discussion in the server yielded little to no actual arguments, but i have now completely understood the reasoning behind this. If you check the player data, you can see that i have already adjusted the questionable word "mid teens" to "late teens" to refer to the age range just below 20, thus over 18.
-I have apparently harassed Dragor over Discord.
This is not only false but also literally impossible.
a) Dragor himself made a point of telling me that he does not even get notified when i send messages, because he uses a modded client. And there is no other way to send messages on Discord once you are blocked.
b) The only communication i have had with him was a message relayed by LtGaffer, in which i asked him if there was anything i could do to make him unblock me and asked him to not judge me when he doesn't even see what i write in the chat.
c) All this only because i had hopes to be unblocked, since Dragor explicitly promised me to unblock me after a day.
d) The only other incident where i mentioned Dragor unblocking me occurred when i was talking to someone about how much i missed talking to him and the other person said they would tell Dragor. I explicitly begged them NOT to do this, as i knew that Dragor would not like it. The other person did it anyway and Dragor did not like it. Others followed suit saying things in the Discord that i did not even say. Dragor reacted negatively obviously. After i begged them to stop - because i still assumed that Dragor would unblock me since he said he would, i said that it would all be much easier if Dragor could just see what i actually wrote and not what the others signal to him so "please someone make the meanie unblock me". I said this, because people i agreed with were not using my name to reply to me, and people who disagreed with me made sure to include my name in every post where they told me to stop or that i was just whining. This meant that to Dragor the entire situation looked like i was exclusively whining and bitching about him, and pestering others about him for the past 3 days straight, even though this was far from the truth.
Thus the claim that i harrassed Dragor is simply ridiculous as I had no communication with him apart from one message after the allegedly temporary block 4 days ago.

The following are the major points of the ban
-Absolutely awful behavior displayed on all levels at once.
I was not disrespectful towards any admins or players, at the worst i called two people assholes for being really mean to me. I specifically tried to do everything in my power to stop others from annoying Dragor by misrepresenting what i was like in chat, i was trying to be nice to everyone and even specifically made it a point to not be any less helpful towards Dragors character in game than i would've been to anyone else. I used the word "niggers" in a joke once which is not uncommon and the discord log proves that even admins have used it in the past. I have been nice to everyone, i even quit the discord briefly when i noticed that the things i wrote were too depressed and lonely because i didn't want to bring people down any more. And i was paying utmost attention to be even more nice and courteous than i normally am as to not upset anyone here.
I admittedly was unintentionally prolonging a discussion, but not because i didn't accept the admins word (as i had stated multiple times), but because i was legitimately curious.
This is the only thing that anyone could call "bad" in any way.
-Stalking and harassment of players both on and off the discord
This, as stated above never happened. I have no idea what they refer to as "off the discord" as the only other place where i know Dragor from is on the server, where we only had extremely short IC interactions, where i paid explicit attention not to metagrudge his character.
Furthermore the "playerS" thing is just abominable. Even the one harrassment never happened so what the hell?
-without taking no for an answer
If this refers to Dragor blocking me, he told me that he would unblock me. The only reasons why he later said he would not do so were things others have said as he did not communicate with me since the initial block. I think it is understandable that i am distraught at being kept blocked because of what others have said about me, not because of what i said. Nonetheless i didn't attempt to relay any more messages to him in any way.
If this refers to the discussion about characters looks, i accepted the admin ruling, and was merely curious about the details to make sure that i could play and accurately describe the character without conflicting with the rules, and was merely curious about the admins inner workings. I never said i didn't take no for an answer.
-attempted emotional manipulation in order to get their way.
This is possibly the most ridiculous thing of them all.
Yes someone could have interpreted my curiosity as bad behavior if they didn't pay attention to what i said at all. Yes someone with the stated intentions of wanting to see me banned like dragor could have imagined that i was harassing them when i was not.
But how the frikking frick did i use emotional manipulation to try to get my way?
Who on? When? What?
If you mistake my telling my actual feelings about things and the unreasonable amount of pain i'm feeling when i'm being carelessly mistreated in a random vore ERP community as "emotional manipulation" i have no idea what to even tell you. I'm honest. I always try to be as honest as possible.




And right now honestly?


I'm honestly at a loss here.
Normally this would be the point where people promise to improve or regardless of an unjust ban try to avoid such situations in the future, but in this case i simply have no idea what i could even have done differently. Try to actually imagine yourself in my place and tell me what i could have been expected to do differently - given only the information i had!

To now be permabanned without having violated any rules, for off server reasons made up by a person with declared apprehension towards me, that's fucked up. And it hurts.
Some admins and a lot of players know that i'm a nice person and player.
I know that i'm always nice and trying to consider everyone's feelings, hell i have debilitating social anxiety because of this. (No this is not emotional manipulation, this is a fact. I can give you the damn doctors diagnosis for the shit i have due to me being scared how other people will feel about me after any action.)


So as it stands this ban is not only deeply unjust, and factually completely wrong, i have even given my utmost best to be as kind and nice as possible on top of following all rules.

[NobodyImportant]

EDIT:
I have been informed that administration is a different skill set from communication.
Thus i can understand why trying to ask about or 'argue about' the reasons behind the new ruling was not possible.
I understand now why it was bad that i didn't immediately stop there when asked to. To be honest this might change my general mindset when interacting with admins on servers. So i can at least say that i know at least ONE thing that i can definitely improve immediately.

The original reasons for the ban are still nonetheless invalid, as even when asking shit when i should've stopped, i remained nice and not awful, and the other reasons are just not true.

But hey, now at least i can say that: yeah i know one thing i can immediately do to circumvent such things in the future: Assume that admins aren't perfect at communication and thus shut up immediately when they ask me to, because they might not be doing it out of spite or hate.

[kevinz000]

underage bait characters being not allowed is not a new thing

[geemiesif]

>>The following were the two major points of the discussion on discord:
>>-Characters that are over 18 but look under 18 are no longer allowed. I have been informed of the reason for this through PMs as the discussion in the server yielded little to no actual arguments, but i have now completely understood >>the reasoning behind this. If you check the player data, you can see that i have already adjusted the questionable word "mid teens" to "late teens" to refer to the age range just below 20, thus over 18.

The fact you wanted to argue/discuss/debate what the law meant when one of our headmins talked about it means you really looking for something here that will not be allowed. , so go find somewhere else to be.

Honestly , I think you should look for another server.

[Improvedname]

Dont harass players, if they block you its for a good reason and then dont kerp asking other people to bypass that block basically


Something you should have learned long ago kepler

[NobodyImportant]

Dont harass players, if they block you its for a good reason and then dont kerp asking other people to bypass that block basically


Something you should have learned long ago kepler

a) You have not read what i wrote, have you. They specifically said they would unblock me, which is why i contacted them once.
I have not attempted to send them any other messages ever since.
b) 'long ago' i have never had an incident such as this. Ever. The closest i can think of is when i contacted staff on the byond messenger never circumventing any blocks or anything, and thus not harassing anyone, merely asking for a single response through normal means of communication in the first place. So please stop just fabricating bullshit.

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underage bait characters being not allowed is not a new thing

I don't know how it is not a new thing, since the character had the same description for 5 (FIVE) years and not one person on either citadel server or even on other servers ever said a single thing. Including admins with whom i had RPd with.
Plus the fact that a character is not allowed despite clearly being stated to be of age is not something that's actually possible to deduce from the rules.

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>>The following were the two major points of the discussion on discord:
>>-Characters that are over 18 but look under 18 are no longer allowed. I have been informed of the reason for this through PMs as the discussion in the server yielded little to no actual arguments, but i have now completely understood >>the reasoning behind this. If you check the player data, you can see that i have already adjusted the questionable word "mid teens" to "late teens" to refer to the age range just below 20, thus over 18.

The fact you wanted to argue/discuss/debate what the law meant when one of our headmins talked about it means you really looking for something here that will not be allowed. , so go find somewhere else to be.

Honestly , I think you should look for another server.

You were not there for the discussion and you clearly did not read my initial post either. Please don't be like this.
I wanted to argue/discuss/debate it because i legitimately was curious as to why the ruling was made, because one of my (eight) active characters had the background of being a neotenic human, meaning that he does not visibly age.
I understand now why i should have stopped asking sooner, but that's that. I still only wanted to ask questions, nothing more.
I mean...did you even read the second part of the text you quoted?.
When i was banned i had already adjusted the characters description to not refer to underage looks.
It's right in there. Just.... read your own post. It's right there. Meaning that you have absolutely no reason to say i'm looking for something that will not be allowed. Because i have frikkin already immediately deleted the thing that apparently isn't allowed after 5 years of no one having a problem with it.

All in all:
Please admin team be reasonable. How could i have possibly tried to be more nice and rule following than this?

[Polymorph]

Hello,

Our apologies, especially given the effort you've put into this, but due to the nature of the ban and a perception of your inability to accept the answer without further comment (for better or worse) your ban appeal has been rejected. I'd recommend appealing in the future with the understanding that, again, for better or worse,
A) Not all admin decisions must be derivable from the rules as first principles, and
B) Due to this previous incident, your characters should be clearly above the age of majority. Although you are correct that a neotenic character can make for good roleplay, due to the nature of this server... I'd recommend you play them somewere else.

No changes have been made to your ban, however, you are permitted to appeal again in the future should you have further evidence for it.

Thank you,
Poly