Ban Appeal: Corvex Mercer (UDontKnowMeOo)

[Corvex Mercer]

BYOND Name: UDontKnowMeOo


Reason Banned: "Temp ban for spreading multiple hordes of slimes across the station on a extended round, while already having multiple warnings and bans prior."

Admin who banned: worgilisk

Length Banned: 10080 minutes (7days)

Appeal Reason: I would like to be unbanned or to have it shortened to two days, because the reasoning is flawed and we also didnt talk about the reason to be banned before hand. I understand that it is not required to tell me anything before hand but when you receive these messages, i feel like more of a explanation is needed, as well as, like I said above, the temp ban reason was/is flawed:

"Admin PM from-Worgilisk: What have you gotten up to...?"
(My reply to the above message)
"PM to-Admins: i became a slime a reproduced if thats whatcha mean"
(Admin's Reply to the above message)
"Admin PM from-Worgilisk: Yeaaaaaah"
(My reply to the above message)
"PM to-Admins: i became a slime, reproduced a few times and attacked sophia for attacking me"
(Admin's Reply to the above message)
"Admin PM from-Worgilisk: During an extended round... with a bunch of notes on you, already"
(My reply to the above message)
"PM to-Admins: and feeding on monkys"
"PM to-Admins: is becoming a slime against the rules? cause i dont remember reading it"
(Admin's Reply to the above message)
"Admin PM from-Worgilisk: I'd put it closer to 'being a dick', really"
(My reply to the above message)
"PM to-Admins: how so? i wasnt attacking people except sophia who is being a dick for trying to kill me as a player slime"

No further replies, instead, just a temp ban.
I will again restate the temp ban.
"Temp ban for spreading multiple hordes of slimes across the station on a extended round, while already having multiple warnings and bans prior."
Now.... lets break it down a bit. "Temp ban for spreading multiple hordes of slimes across the station on a extended round" the first half that i just restated is concerning me, because i have read the rules multiple times to make sure i understand them, and this is not found anywhere in the rules (yet). worgilisk found it to be closer to the rule "being a dick" which i would like to say is pretty shitty to begin with, but i understand why its there. Unfortunately, this rule can be used for admins, in general, in any situation they deem "being a dick". But, lets go back to the situation at hand.
"while already having multiple warnings and bans prior." the next half isnt very well connected to the situation, as far as I can tell, since I cannot see the notes on my account. And I have NEVER received a ban for becoming a slime and/or reproducing, because this was my first time becoming a slime. I have had at least one other ban, one being a Head of Staff job ban for recalling a shuttle multiple times because the crew weren't competent enough to kill a rev, even though we have the resources to kill it. I cannot remember the other times at the moment of writing this. But I'm sure we will see the notes and bans as proof down below. If the ban was because of previous notes + what I did, then I feel like I should know what those notes say. If its the bans, then I would like to know what bans connect to the situation at hand.

TL;DR
I am HIGHLY uninformed, and i feel like the temp ban reason was not good enough or detailed enough to actually issue the ban, as well as, I would like to be informed when issued a ban of any type. Especially for "notes" that are not accessible through my side, not being an admin. (I also think "being a dick" is a stupid and/or vague rule. Although.... its not even in the rules anymore (had to double check rules to make sure, since old rules had it) , not saying that was my goal though.)

[Kenzie]

Appeal Reason: I would like to be unbanned or to have it shortened to two days, because the reasoning is flawed and we also didnt talk about the reason to be banned before hand. I understand that it is not required to tell me anything before hand but when you receive these messages, i feel like more of a explanation is needed, as well as, like I said above, the temp ban reason was/is flawed:

If you did actually do the things described in the ban reason, the ban and duration are completely fine.

"Temp ban for spreading multiple hordes of slimes across the station on a extended round, while already having multiple warnings and bans prior."
Now.... lets break it down a bit. "Temp ban for spreading multiple hordes of slimes across the station on a extended round" the first half that i just restated is concerning me, because i have read the rules multiple times to make sure i understand them, and this is not found anywhere in the rules (yet). worgilisk found it to be closer to the rule "being a dick" which i would like to say is pretty shitty to begin with, but i understand why its there. Unfortunately, this rule can be used for admins, in general, in any situation they deem "being a dick".

Okay, if you really don't see how spreading dangerous, hostile, self-replicating creatures across the station as a non-antagonist is being a dick, then you should probably just be permabanned before you continue to make a nuisance of yourself, not even taking into account the killbaity "cause station-wide grief and then assault the people trying to stop you". That's the very reason why there are admins and such open-ended rules, because we can't spell out every specific way someone can be a pain in the ass with such a sandboxy game.

"while already having multiple warnings and bans prior." the next half isnt very well connected to the situation, as far as I can tell, since I cannot see the notes on my account. And I have NEVER received a ban for becoming a slime and/or reproducing, because this was my first time becoming a slime. I have had at least one other ban, one being a Head of Staff job ban for recalling a shuttle multiple times because the crew weren't competent enough to kill a rev, even though we have the resources to kill it. I cannot remember the other times at the moment of writing this. But I'm sure we will see the notes and bans as proof down below. If the ban was because of previous notes + what I did, then I feel like I should know what those notes say. If its the bans, then I would like to know what bans connect to the situation at hand.

You do you have a ton of notes, but most of them are barely relevant. The only one I'd consider germane would be this one, for the precedent of shittery.

2016-09-19 05:47:05 | | poojawa [Remove Note] [Edit Note]
Decided to 'Teach the Warden a lesson' over mean words said offhandedly, greytided into security with spacelube and wirecuffs with a goal of either 'dragging the warden around the station till she admits she isn't the best' or 'buckling to a bed' Warned for being a dick

I do sorta agree that the last part of the ban reason could use some work, unless there are warnings or whatever that I somehow was not informed of.

[Corvex Mercer]

(Said by Kenzie:
"Okay, if you really don't see how spreading dangerous, hostile, self-replicating creatures across the station as a non-antagonist is being a dick, then you should probably just be permabanned before you continue to make a nuisance of yourself, not even taking into account the killbaity "cause station-wide grief and then assault the people trying to stop you". That's the very reason why there are admins and such open-ended rules, because we can't spell out every specific way someone can be a pain in the ass with such a sandboxy game.")
I never said that "spreading dangerous, hostile, self-replicating creatures across the station" was not a dick move, but what I am saying is that there were only 2 spots I "spread" them to, as a actual slime (not saying that is justification in any means, I am just trying to make sure everyone who reads this, understands). The spots I put them in was near maint of chapel, and genetics. I would also like to state that the only person I wanted to kill was Sophia Rose, and thats only because for 1, they threatened to kill me if I turned into a slime, and the main reason was because they attacked me as slime before I attacked them.

(Said by Kenzie:
"You do you have a ton of notes")
I am unable to locate or see said notes to begin with, so I am unable to state my case against said noted (unless of course there is nothing I can say against them, if they are 100% true, and worded correctly).

(This note is stated by Kenzie, made by poojawa:
"2016-09-19 05:47:05 | | poojawa [Remove Note] [Edit Note]
Decided to 'Teach the Warden a lesson' over mean words said offhandedly, greytided into security with spacelube and wirecuffs with a goal of either 'dragging the warden around the station till she admits she isn't the best' or 'buckling to a bed' Warned for being a dick")
The part where poojawa states "dragging the warden around the station till she admits she isn't the best" is ether partially wrong, completely wrong, and/or only part of what I have said, and in fact, makes me sound worse.

[Kenzie]

I never said that "spreading dangerous, hostile, self-replicating creatures across the station" was not a dick move, but what I am saying is that there were only 2 spots I "spread" them to, as a actual slime (not saying that is justification in any means, I am just trying to make sure everyone who reads this, understands). The spots I put them in was near maint of chapel, and genetics. I would also like to state that the only person I wanted to kill was Sophia Rose, and thats only because for 1, they threatened to kill me if I turned into a slime, and the main reason was because they attacked me as slime before I attacked them.

Actually you did say it was not found anywhere in the rules, implying it's not griefing or being a dick. Which it clearly is, considering it can easily kill multiple people and possibly even become round-ending if mishandled by the crew. If you do understand that this is a dick move and not at all allowed, then why are you even appealing this ban?

Unless Sophia like, broke into xenobio to kill you before you'd done anything wrong at all, it sounds like she'd have had plenty of IC and OOC justification for putting an end to you.

I am unable to locate or see said notes to begin with, so I am unable to state my case against said noted (unless of course there is nothing I can say against them, if they are 100% true, and worded correctly).

I don't think you have to defend yourself against the rest of the notes in this context, since most of them aren't relevant to the situation at hand. That's how come I agreed with you that the latter portion of the ban reason could do with minor revisement. But that's just nitpicky and has no other bearing on the validity of the ban.

The part where poojawa states "dragging the warden around the station till she admits she isn't the best" is ether partially wrong, completely wrong, and/or only part of what I have said, and in fact, makes me sound worse.

I dunno, you want me to check logs on this? If it turns out the note was thoroughly accurate I won't be happy.

[Corvex Mercer]

(Said by Kenzie:
"Actually you did say it was not found anywhere in the rules, implying it's not griefing or being a dick.")
Implications are seen through other eyes, or heard through other ears. I have not said that it is not griefing, nor being a dick, as of yet. You can also replace "implying" with you "assuming" that's what I was meaning.
(Said by Kenzie:
"Unless Sophia like, broke into xenobio to kill you before you'd done anything wrong at all, it sounds like she'd have had plenty of IC and OOC justification for putting an end to you."
She didn't need to break in, cause she had access, and she didn't try to kill me before I became a slime.
(Said by Kenzie:
"I don't think you have to defend yourself against the rest of the notes in this context, since most of them aren't relevant to the situation at hand. That's how come I agreed with you that the latter portion of the ban reason could do with minor revisement. But that's just nitpicky and has no other bearing on the validity of the ban."
Agreed, lets move on from that then.
(Quote from Corvex Mercer, quoted by Kenzie:
"The part where poojawa states "dragging the warden around the station till she admits she isn't the best" is ether partially wrong, completely wrong, and/or only part of what I have said, and in fact, makes me sound worse."
(Said by Kenzie in reply to that quote:
"I dunno, you want me to check logs on this? If it turns out the note was thoroughly accurate I won't be happy."))
I would love you to check on it, but honestly, if it doesnt effect the current situation, I could just ask you another time ether on forums or discord (wherever it is suited). No need to deal with that in this post, but I would appreciate it. I would also like to add, that I am 100% sure that "only part of what I have said, and in fact, makes me sound worse." is true, I know its only part or half of what I said, and it does make me sound worse. As for "is ether partially wrong, completely wrong" I am unsure about.

[Leon_Leonardo]

You're in total violation of Server Rule 1 and at least partially in violation of Rule 4.

You deliberately chose to turn yourself into a slime and spread creatures that can become incredibly hostile to areas of the station where they were not contained. You then decided to attack people that tried stopping you. This is griefing. Your implication that because it's not specifically in the rules that you're allowed to do it, or in this case get away with it, is not justified.

Also a member of the crew has no genuine reason to turn their-self into a hostile creature in order to spawn more hostile creatures that will possibly kill their crew-mates.

Turning yourself into a slime is often used as an excuse to grief because of the logical fallacy of becoming something that is typically considered inherently hostile and attacking people when you're attacked somehow makes it okay to grief.

Your appeal is denied.

[Kenzie]

Implications are seen through other eyes, or heard through other ears. I have not said that it is not griefing, nor being a dick, as of yet. You can also replace "implying" with you "assuming" that's what I was meaning.

Don't be disingenuous, that isn't welcome here at all. You necessarily implied that it was not griefing by portraying it as anything other than the rule violation it clearly was. You have failed to answer my question, "If you do understand that this is a dick move and not at all allowed, then why are you even appealing this ban?".

It sounds like you're trying to backpeddle now and hide behind semantics, but that's not going to get you unbanned, it's just going to waste my time and annoy me.

She didn't need to break in, cause she had access, and she didn't try to kill me before I became a slime.

Okay, so once you'd become a slime and were splitting all over the entire station and in general acting like an antagonist as a non-antagonist killing you would have been completely justified IC and OOC. Killing someone who you've provoked into making a semi-legitimate attempt on your life is killbaiting, but that's ultimately irrelevant in the face of the original griefing infraction.

I would love you to check on it, but honestly, if it doesnt effect the current situation, I could just ask you another time ether on forums or discord (wherever it is suited). No need to deal with that in this post, but I would appreciate it. I would also like to add, that I am 100% sure that "only part of what I have said, and in fact, makes me sound worse." is true, I know its only part or half of what I said, and it does make me sound worse. As for "is ether partially wrong, completely wrong" I am unsure about.

Alright I'll do it some other time then since I don't feel like logdiving.