[Vincent/JWhitt] Forrest#5032 - Discord - "Toxicity"
Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 7:59 am
Discord account: Forrest#5032
Banning admin: Vincent
Ban type/duration (where you are banned from and for how long): No duration given, assuming permanent, Discord server ban
Ban reason: Quote from the DM I received from Vincent right before getting banned: "Alright, you've been given ample warning over your behavior and toxicity as of late. This is your notice of expulsion. Take the time to contemplate how you've been behaving before you try coming back."
Your side of the story: On 1/15/2021, around I think 6pm-ish EST, Grima and I were in VOIP chat with a couple others and talking. One of the other users mentioned that Grima was being harassed in main chat and when I inquired, he specified that Justin (JWhitt or whatever his name is at this point) was spamming Grima telling her to go to bed. At the time, Grima was telling us in VOIP that she was babysitting on request of her family, and thus didn't really have the chance to actually go to bed, so we were providing company and reprieve from the insanity in her house at the time essentially and I told Justin about the situation in question. Grima also joined in and posted a couple things telling him that yes, she was unable to sleep due to her insomnia and having obligations at the time anyway. Justin kept persisting despite being told to stop and it resulted in me making an admittedly off-color remark, calling him a dentbrain and that he should stop.
A bit of context for this: Justin and I have had a very bad relationship for the past 6+ months. The reason for this being that almost any time I would pitch ideas for the server, PRs, etc, or even when I would be talking in casual conversation, he would rear his head in to either belittle me, put me down, twist my words, try to make me look like an idiot, or just in general be a dick to me over it. I don't know what started it, whether it was me or him, and while one of us probably should've just went to the other to make ammends or whatever, it probably wouldn't matter anyway. Justin is someone who will repeatedly target me with actual toxicity, subtle or otherwise, and then if you call him out he'll use his own popularity to shelter himself.
Now with that being said, "ample warning over behavior and toxicity as of late" is absolute bullshit. The last time I ever got any sort of warning for toxicity in the Discord from an admin just so happens to be from Vincent back in October of 2019, a fucking year ago. This ban was nothing more than Justin and Vincent jumping the gun because of their own grudges against me, and I know I'm not the only one who sees and knows this, much less the only one who knows Justin is actually a toxic person in the discord. Yet despite all this, I will point out that this ban was applied to me by Vincent, who had 0 involvement in the context of said situation that resulted in the ban, and then many other players who will say arguably worse things regularly post-round or even casually (Looking at the person who spams racial slurs every round IC on main), will get off scot free.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Basically the ban was ridiculous and a gun-jump by two admins with a grudge. Vincent's got too much of a stick up his ass and Justin freely acts like an ass toward people, including me, because he can use his popularity to shelter himself from consequences. Somehow a warning I received a year and three months ago is enough to constitute a "Oh well you've been bad so we'll ban you", and then on top of this ya'll will cry that Hatter hasn't appealed his Discord ban despite him being an absolute fucking dickhead? Bruh, come on now.
EDIT: Also this isn't to say I haven't said my share of dumb/mean shit to people in the past, and I ain't excusing that, but I think a perma from the discord over calling one currently ex-admin a dentbrain, a very common insult on this server, a week after me calling him out for being a cunt and telling him to fuck himself, is pretty draconian, because I know that any prior incidents are only barely being considered in this decision.
Banning admin: Vincent
Ban type/duration (where you are banned from and for how long): No duration given, assuming permanent, Discord server ban
Ban reason: Quote from the DM I received from Vincent right before getting banned: "Alright, you've been given ample warning over your behavior and toxicity as of late. This is your notice of expulsion. Take the time to contemplate how you've been behaving before you try coming back."
Your side of the story: On 1/15/2021, around I think 6pm-ish EST, Grima and I were in VOIP chat with a couple others and talking. One of the other users mentioned that Grima was being harassed in main chat and when I inquired, he specified that Justin (JWhitt or whatever his name is at this point) was spamming Grima telling her to go to bed. At the time, Grima was telling us in VOIP that she was babysitting on request of her family, and thus didn't really have the chance to actually go to bed, so we were providing company and reprieve from the insanity in her house at the time essentially and I told Justin about the situation in question. Grima also joined in and posted a couple things telling him that yes, she was unable to sleep due to her insomnia and having obligations at the time anyway. Justin kept persisting despite being told to stop and it resulted in me making an admittedly off-color remark, calling him a dentbrain and that he should stop.
A bit of context for this: Justin and I have had a very bad relationship for the past 6+ months. The reason for this being that almost any time I would pitch ideas for the server, PRs, etc, or even when I would be talking in casual conversation, he would rear his head in to either belittle me, put me down, twist my words, try to make me look like an idiot, or just in general be a dick to me over it. I don't know what started it, whether it was me or him, and while one of us probably should've just went to the other to make ammends or whatever, it probably wouldn't matter anyway. Justin is someone who will repeatedly target me with actual toxicity, subtle or otherwise, and then if you call him out he'll use his own popularity to shelter himself.
Now with that being said, "ample warning over behavior and toxicity as of late" is absolute bullshit. The last time I ever got any sort of warning for toxicity in the Discord from an admin just so happens to be from Vincent back in October of 2019, a fucking year ago. This ban was nothing more than Justin and Vincent jumping the gun because of their own grudges against me, and I know I'm not the only one who sees and knows this, much less the only one who knows Justin is actually a toxic person in the discord. Yet despite all this, I will point out that this ban was applied to me by Vincent, who had 0 involvement in the context of said situation that resulted in the ban, and then many other players who will say arguably worse things regularly post-round or even casually (Looking at the person who spams racial slurs every round IC on main), will get off scot free.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Basically the ban was ridiculous and a gun-jump by two admins with a grudge. Vincent's got too much of a stick up his ass and Justin freely acts like an ass toward people, including me, because he can use his popularity to shelter himself from consequences. Somehow a warning I received a year and three months ago is enough to constitute a "Oh well you've been bad so we'll ban you", and then on top of this ya'll will cry that Hatter hasn't appealed his Discord ban despite him being an absolute fucking dickhead? Bruh, come on now.
EDIT: Also this isn't to say I haven't said my share of dumb/mean shit to people in the past, and I ain't excusing that, but I think a perma from the discord over calling one currently ex-admin a dentbrain, a very common insult on this server, a week after me calling him out for being a cunt and telling him to fuck himself, is pretty draconian, because I know that any prior incidents are only barely being considered in this decision.