[Ragolution] BluefinTuna - Note Appeal
Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:43 pm
BYOND account and character name: BluefinTuna - Abductor Agent
Noting admin: Ragolution
Note Severity: High Severity
Note: [RID 23842] As abductor agent, actively used abductor baton to aid changeling in killing targets. Refused to accept the reasoning that this was not okay. Primary rationalization was based on the fact that corpses could be converted. Further rationalized their actions by saying one of their abduction targets gave away the fact that they existed, but made no effort to have the situation rectified. Ahelp Logs: https://i.imgur.com/sQS3ABX.png
Your side of the story:
For backstory:
On a changeling round with 4 changelings, abductor midround event rolled 20 minutes into the round, and I was given the agent role.
For the next ~20 minutes, the scientist and I were able to capture 2 people that were off cameras, because everyone else was either in large groups, ERPing, or hunting. By hunting, I mean that this round of 30~ players had 5 security officers, a warden, and a head of security all hunting a single changeling. The hunt was assisted by multiple miners and random armed assistants.
Shortly before the incident the note is over occurred, I informed my partner scientist that there were 6 people erping in locked dorms if we REQUIRED the points. This lead to an admin (this previously said Ragolution but I have been informed otherwise, for anyone reading this after the edit) subtle message spamming me for multiple minutes about the SINGLE SENTENCE SUGGESTION telling me I could NOT at ALL COSTS grab people in dorms despite the fact my objectives might require it later in the round. I, ad verbatim, said they were "pre-emptively bitching and moaning" over something I hadn't even done yet or had been planning to do. They also sent snarky remarks later in the round after we were able to find one person afk and kidnapped them.
Because I was informed by admins to not go after people that were engaging in online sexual intercourse, I decided to do the next best thing. Early in the round, I had attempted to abduct the changeling (Nakura Vyr) in maintenance. Of course, because they were a changeling, they just used adrenals and beat the shit out of me. They then said over radio that they weren't a snitch, and, later in the 20-minute maint waiting phase, they came across me again and were peaceful. Of course, because my scientist couldn't find anyone on cameras that we were legally allowed to touch under the admin's ruling, we decided to go for the next best option for completing the abductor objectives to abduct 6 people - getting stragglers that were fucked up fighting the changeling. My scientist dropped me down in the bar while the changeling Nakura Vyr was beating the shit out of a shaft miner in dragon armor, and I batonned the changeling and the shaft miner into stamina critical (but the changeling just used adrenals to get out of it).
When I attempted to grab the miner, Security's goons came in and started shooting up the changeling and I with toxin smgs, so I had to dip. I fired upon the crowd of people shooting me with my pistol a few times and was teleported back up by my scientist. A few minutes later, we proceeded to drop down and grab a corpse that was killed by the changeling, and we revived and experimented on the former-corpse before sending them back on their way. This is when I was contacted by Ragolution and told to "not help murderbone with a changeling".
So the reason this note is quite absurd is because it says that I was an integral part in killing multiple people. What? What the fuck do you mean? I literally batonned one fucking person (while trying to abduct them) and the CHANGELING THEMSELF. I batonned ONE PERSON and failed to kidnap them, and that means I am somehow breaking the rules? Apparently, according to Ragolution, another large integral part of my "rule breaking" was the fact that Kevinz000 (head of security) was able to find out it was abductors AFTER we had quietly abducted someone because that person was acting like an abductee. Why am I getting punished because someone else playing the video game is smart? Hello? This isn't a rhetorical question. I do want specifically an answer about why it's an integral part of my note that the head of security is smart enough to realize when abductors happen even when they are stealthy, because the biggest complaint Ragolution had against my abductor play is that I wasn't "quiet enough".
How do you expect me to be "quiet" as an antagonist that objectively cannot act quiet. The antagonist literally creates antagonists on station with unique abilities and objectives, and the SERVER RULES say that you are allowed to know ANYTHING about antagonist abilities. What? Why am I getting punished because another person is allowed to know how abductors work and thus make an educated decision that there are abductors, and then arm everyone not erping and group them together in a roaming band? It's also apparently "against my objectives" to baton (1) person while they're distracted fighting someone else because I'm "interfering with the environment", which I just simply don't understand. The "environment" was already fucked when I decided to abduct someone, because the signs of someone being abducted are quite obvious. In case you didn't notice, we were in fact "being quiet" up until the point where we physically could not be quiet because admins told us to stop. Yes, I'm putting this one on you, Ragolution. If you wanted me and the scientist to keep being quiet and not interact with the round, you shouldn't have spam subtle messaged me telling me not to pick up easy targets in stealth. You cut off our only avenue for pursuing our objectives in a quiet manner.
The server rules say "Do your objectives. A minimum effort is required when you are an antagonist, especially in team antag roles", but the noting admin actively tells me to not do my objective. Since the rules also say admins are allowed to override any rule they want if they feel like it improves the round somehow, I comply. However, I do believe it's an abuse of this privilege to tell people to actively break the rules or else you'll punish them with your admin authority, and then punish them anyways.
Furthermore, I was told it was a bad thing to work with the changeling. As per server rules, you are allowed to work with crew and antagonists if it serves your objectives as an antagonist. How is this a bad thing to not immediately try to validhunt the changeling with the crew? I'm an antagonist. Why would I try to validhunt another antagonist when it goes against my objectives (since you can't really abduct a changeling).
So, outside of the arguable parts of the note that don't involve the rules at all, it is clear there are at least portions of the note that are factually incorrect. I understand that the citadel admin team generally denies note appeals, but come on. Are you seriously going to keep OBJECTIVELY incorrect notes on people at HIGHEST SEVERITY, even if you're going to ignore the actual contents of the note being questionable?
Noting admin: Ragolution
Note Severity: High Severity
Note: [RID 23842] As abductor agent, actively used abductor baton to aid changeling in killing targets. Refused to accept the reasoning that this was not okay. Primary rationalization was based on the fact that corpses could be converted. Further rationalized their actions by saying one of their abduction targets gave away the fact that they existed, but made no effort to have the situation rectified. Ahelp Logs: https://i.imgur.com/sQS3ABX.png
Your side of the story:
For backstory:
On a changeling round with 4 changelings, abductor midround event rolled 20 minutes into the round, and I was given the agent role.
For the next ~20 minutes, the scientist and I were able to capture 2 people that were off cameras, because everyone else was either in large groups, ERPing, or hunting. By hunting, I mean that this round of 30~ players had 5 security officers, a warden, and a head of security all hunting a single changeling. The hunt was assisted by multiple miners and random armed assistants.
Shortly before the incident the note is over occurred, I informed my partner scientist that there were 6 people erping in locked dorms if we REQUIRED the points. This lead to an admin (this previously said Ragolution but I have been informed otherwise, for anyone reading this after the edit) subtle message spamming me for multiple minutes about the SINGLE SENTENCE SUGGESTION telling me I could NOT at ALL COSTS grab people in dorms despite the fact my objectives might require it later in the round. I, ad verbatim, said they were "pre-emptively bitching and moaning" over something I hadn't even done yet or had been planning to do. They also sent snarky remarks later in the round after we were able to find one person afk and kidnapped them.
Because I was informed by admins to not go after people that were engaging in online sexual intercourse, I decided to do the next best thing. Early in the round, I had attempted to abduct the changeling (Nakura Vyr) in maintenance. Of course, because they were a changeling, they just used adrenals and beat the shit out of me. They then said over radio that they weren't a snitch, and, later in the 20-minute maint waiting phase, they came across me again and were peaceful. Of course, because my scientist couldn't find anyone on cameras that we were legally allowed to touch under the admin's ruling, we decided to go for the next best option for completing the abductor objectives to abduct 6 people - getting stragglers that were fucked up fighting the changeling. My scientist dropped me down in the bar while the changeling Nakura Vyr was beating the shit out of a shaft miner in dragon armor, and I batonned the changeling and the shaft miner into stamina critical (but the changeling just used adrenals to get out of it).
When I attempted to grab the miner, Security's goons came in and started shooting up the changeling and I with toxin smgs, so I had to dip. I fired upon the crowd of people shooting me with my pistol a few times and was teleported back up by my scientist. A few minutes later, we proceeded to drop down and grab a corpse that was killed by the changeling, and we revived and experimented on the former-corpse before sending them back on their way. This is when I was contacted by Ragolution and told to "not help murderbone with a changeling".
So the reason this note is quite absurd is because it says that I was an integral part in killing multiple people. What? What the fuck do you mean? I literally batonned one fucking person (while trying to abduct them) and the CHANGELING THEMSELF. I batonned ONE PERSON and failed to kidnap them, and that means I am somehow breaking the rules? Apparently, according to Ragolution, another large integral part of my "rule breaking" was the fact that Kevinz000 (head of security) was able to find out it was abductors AFTER we had quietly abducted someone because that person was acting like an abductee. Why am I getting punished because someone else playing the video game is smart? Hello? This isn't a rhetorical question. I do want specifically an answer about why it's an integral part of my note that the head of security is smart enough to realize when abductors happen even when they are stealthy, because the biggest complaint Ragolution had against my abductor play is that I wasn't "quiet enough".
How do you expect me to be "quiet" as an antagonist that objectively cannot act quiet. The antagonist literally creates antagonists on station with unique abilities and objectives, and the SERVER RULES say that you are allowed to know ANYTHING about antagonist abilities. What? Why am I getting punished because another person is allowed to know how abductors work and thus make an educated decision that there are abductors, and then arm everyone not erping and group them together in a roaming band? It's also apparently "against my objectives" to baton (1) person while they're distracted fighting someone else because I'm "interfering with the environment", which I just simply don't understand. The "environment" was already fucked when I decided to abduct someone, because the signs of someone being abducted are quite obvious. In case you didn't notice, we were in fact "being quiet" up until the point where we physically could not be quiet because admins told us to stop. Yes, I'm putting this one on you, Ragolution. If you wanted me and the scientist to keep being quiet and not interact with the round, you shouldn't have spam subtle messaged me telling me not to pick up easy targets in stealth. You cut off our only avenue for pursuing our objectives in a quiet manner.
The server rules say "Do your objectives. A minimum effort is required when you are an antagonist, especially in team antag roles", but the noting admin actively tells me to not do my objective. Since the rules also say admins are allowed to override any rule they want if they feel like it improves the round somehow, I comply. However, I do believe it's an abuse of this privilege to tell people to actively break the rules or else you'll punish them with your admin authority, and then punish them anyways.
Furthermore, I was told it was a bad thing to work with the changeling. As per server rules, you are allowed to work with crew and antagonists if it serves your objectives as an antagonist. How is this a bad thing to not immediately try to validhunt the changeling with the crew? I'm an antagonist. Why would I try to validhunt another antagonist when it goes against my objectives (since you can't really abduct a changeling).
So, outside of the arguable parts of the note that don't involve the rules at all, it is clear there are at least portions of the note that are factually incorrect. I understand that the citadel admin team generally denies note appeals, but come on. Are you seriously going to keep OBJECTIVELY incorrect notes on people at HIGHEST SEVERITY, even if you're going to ignore the actual contents of the note being questionable?