[MAIN] MrJWhit/Amidal? - Questionable Judgement, Discussion on Validhunt and IC Issues.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:19 pm
BYOND Name of complaint against: MrJWhit and Amidal though for different reasons.
Your BYOND name: Tupinambis
Date of issue and round ID: 8/5/2020 23930
Reason for complaint: During a round in which I rolled traitor, I purchased a holoparasite, a chameleon kit which I used to create a quirky yellow uniform, and a discount cryptographic sequencer. With these items I went around public areas having my holopara play music as I tried to interact with the crew that were bronze cogging up the station. At one point I emagged the command console and purchased the gorilla shuttle. At another point I attacked someone who had slapped my ass along with my holopara, something that the heads of staff at the time (one of which was Zephyr) were fine with considering the context.
Beyond these two events, I had not attacked or antagonized anyone at all.
While I was hanging out near medical and science just talking to my holopara, I suddenly got jumped by Amidal wielding two spears without any prior warning or interaction. Now, I did hear prior over the radio them threaten to kill me, but for full context security was well staffed for the pop as was command, and neither were interested in killing me, being perfectly okay with my existence. At no point did security attempt to arrest me, at no point did command attempt to shut me down. I never at any point even interacted with or provoked Amidal which made the situation all the more confusing to me. I got hit into crit by the spear rush, and a security officer attempted to bring me to medical to save me before Amidal gave chase to finish me off, where I then dusted. Pretty much all IC text pointed to the fact none of the other crew members were in any way interested in killing me, and were in fact upset and confused by my death. After this, I made an ahelp briefly explaining what had happened, and all I got was the standard and ever loathed "IC ISSUE" message. MrJWhit was the only admin online at the time so I assume they are the one that responded.
However, I strongly disagree both with Amidal's behavior, and with MrJWhit's judgement call, because I saw that situation as textbook validhunting.
Rule 7.1 states:
Your BYOND name: Tupinambis
Date of issue and round ID: 8/5/2020 23930
Reason for complaint: During a round in which I rolled traitor, I purchased a holoparasite, a chameleon kit which I used to create a quirky yellow uniform, and a discount cryptographic sequencer. With these items I went around public areas having my holopara play music as I tried to interact with the crew that were bronze cogging up the station. At one point I emagged the command console and purchased the gorilla shuttle. At another point I attacked someone who had slapped my ass along with my holopara, something that the heads of staff at the time (one of which was Zephyr) were fine with considering the context.
Beyond these two events, I had not attacked or antagonized anyone at all.
While I was hanging out near medical and science just talking to my holopara, I suddenly got jumped by Amidal wielding two spears without any prior warning or interaction. Now, I did hear prior over the radio them threaten to kill me, but for full context security was well staffed for the pop as was command, and neither were interested in killing me, being perfectly okay with my existence. At no point did security attempt to arrest me, at no point did command attempt to shut me down. I never at any point even interacted with or provoked Amidal which made the situation all the more confusing to me. I got hit into crit by the spear rush, and a security officer attempted to bring me to medical to save me before Amidal gave chase to finish me off, where I then dusted. Pretty much all IC text pointed to the fact none of the other crew members were in any way interested in killing me, and were in fact upset and confused by my death. After this, I made an ahelp briefly explaining what had happened, and all I got was the standard and ever loathed "IC ISSUE" message. MrJWhit was the only admin online at the time so I assume they are the one that responded.
However, I strongly disagree both with Amidal's behavior, and with MrJWhit's judgement call, because I saw that situation as textbook validhunting.
Rule 7.1 states:
In this situation, they searched out, hunted for, and attacked me when they were an assistant, and while they were in no way threatened by me. It also states under rule 7 thatDo not abandon your job to search out, hunt for, or attack antagonists unless it is related to your department's field of work, or unless you or nearby crew-members are under a direct and immediate threat from an antagonist.
It's very discouraging to see that big red IC Issue text when my attempts to try and let the crew enjoy their bronze projects and avoid using the fact I had free reign with my objectives to kill people, was met with a single person lynching me. My ideas to maybe set up a duel between me and the HoS for my glorious death objective couldn't come to fruition because of this, and I don't think it's fair to anyone when a single person ruins it for everyone else, and it's considered acceptable.The line between validhunting and defending yourself can be grey, but a general rule of thumb is that if it's not your job to directly confront an antagonist, your goal should be to survive and escape, not to try to kill or subdue them.