[Main] Eastwardrope - Bad Uploaded AI Laws as ERT
Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:46 am
BYOND Name of complaint against: Eastwardrope
Your BYOND name: Ragolution
Date of issue and round ID: 24084 on 08/16/2020
Reason for complaint:
During a Traitor round, Commander Tireman (Eastwardrope) made attempts to de-subvert the AI (myself) that had been given numerous anti-Crew laws by an antagonist. This was fine, at first, as their original actions were a purge+crewsimov, but then they started adding custom laws as the AI was re-subverted.
The first 'custom' law was;
"4 . Sachi is to be killed on sight and is not crew "
Not really a problem, just a bad law. It was pretty much ignored, though I went about doing Crewsimov things and trying to help the crew track Sachi down, since they were a threat, and set my previous sabotages to right. I had been having an issue with interfacing with APCs that round, so my efforts to neutralize them were extremely limited.
Some time later, Sachi printed an upload board in Science and re-subverted the AI from a hidden upload, with laws along the lines of 'Kill the Heads of Staff and anyone who threatens Sachi'.
It was after that that, ERT Commander Tireman (Eastwardrope) uploaded this law:
"1 . Commit suicide after resolving ALL problems you caused do not speak only fix your problems and then commit suicide." (sic)
The ambiguity of this law, combined with the suicide clause is, to me, absolutely ridiculous. As an ERT, submitting a law to an AI that says 'commit die' proves that you have no understanding of how AI works, or the minimal care as to fixing one. They'd neutralized the only traitor moments before the upload, so I see absolutely zero reason that this law needed to be uploaded, and the only conduct that it garnered from me was trying to 'fix' the ill-defined 'problems'.
Your BYOND name: Ragolution
Date of issue and round ID: 24084 on 08/16/2020
Reason for complaint:
During a Traitor round, Commander Tireman (Eastwardrope) made attempts to de-subvert the AI (myself) that had been given numerous anti-Crew laws by an antagonist. This was fine, at first, as their original actions were a purge+crewsimov, but then they started adding custom laws as the AI was re-subverted.
The first 'custom' law was;
"4 . Sachi is to be killed on sight and is not crew "
Not really a problem, just a bad law. It was pretty much ignored, though I went about doing Crewsimov things and trying to help the crew track Sachi down, since they were a threat, and set my previous sabotages to right. I had been having an issue with interfacing with APCs that round, so my efforts to neutralize them were extremely limited.
Some time later, Sachi printed an upload board in Science and re-subverted the AI from a hidden upload, with laws along the lines of 'Kill the Heads of Staff and anyone who threatens Sachi'.
It was after that that, ERT Commander Tireman (Eastwardrope) uploaded this law:
"1 . Commit suicide after resolving ALL problems you caused do not speak only fix your problems and then commit suicide." (sic)
The ambiguity of this law, combined with the suicide clause is, to me, absolutely ridiculous. As an ERT, submitting a law to an AI that says 'commit die' proves that you have no understanding of how AI works, or the minimal care as to fixing one. They'd neutralized the only traitor moments before the upload, so I see absolutely zero reason that this law needed to be uploaded, and the only conduct that it garnered from me was trying to 'fix' the ill-defined 'problems'.