Appeal for a 3-day Main ban & an Engineering Perma-ban

[mirukihoshi]

BYOND Name:

Mirukihoshi.

Reason Banned:



Admin who banned:

R3dtaile.

Length Banned:

4320 minutes/3 days.

Appeal Reason:

Okay! I'm appealing two things. For one, I am appealing my three day server ban, which I can understand, but I think is unneeded. Secondly, is my (what I assume to be), permanent Engineering ban, which I can only somewhat understand, and disagree with more. They're both pretty connected, so I'll start off with explaining the whole story, mostly for clarification, and especially since the ban reason R3dtaile has used paints me in a way that makes me seem like I was antagonizing him for no reason, or, just for kicks. Anyway, let me begin. I won't leave any details out.

I joined near the beginning of the round as an Engineer, which I'm on a lot of the time, and head to Engineering to grab my gear - all the usual stuff. One of my friends, who I won't name unless asked, calls for me over the radio, and since nothing is going on, and no other Engineer asks for my help (and there WERE other Engineers, by the way), I decide I can hang out. So, I meet with her at the arrivals lounge, where we fuck around by pushing and dragging each-other, and all that stuff. There was a bit of a misunderstanding between me and another character regarding ERP stuff, but that was resolved quickly, and doesn't really need mentioning here. Anyway, the shift goes on like normal. For fun, and since the Chemist that round was less-than-friendly to my character, I went into the tech storage (which Engineers have access to), and grabbed some chem-related technology boards, and headed with the aforementioned friend from arrivals to the Engineering Storage above chapel to build some chem-stuff. However, we quickly got bored of that idea, as someone had taken the door off of the area we were building in beforehand, and both of us had made it clear we wanted to ERP earlier, so, she cuffed me, dragged me to a dorm, and we were ready to get it on.

Outside of our dorm, the shift was going fine, to my knowledge. No Engineers sounded like they needed help, the station wasn't burning down, and no-one was ASKING for me or my help, either. So, of course, I was good for ERP. We were in there for a while - a majority of the round, even. In fact, we never even left the room. I kept my radio on just in case (or my like, it was left on me, since I was cuffed and I was stripped), and we ERP'D back and forth. While waiting for a response, I noticed someone innocently comment about the meteors in OOC, and surprisingly, only one person commented about how it was IC in OOC. Seeing this, I was going to comment how annoying I find it when people screech about "ICK OCK" when someone comments something that was LITERALLY announced, but, I was never given the chance, as even though only two people somewhat mentioned the players comment (and these comments were a bit spaced apart), R3dtaile disabled OOC. I found that decision silly, and frankly, stupid. I understand WHY, but I hardly find that to be enough justification to mute OOC chat. So, half-jokingly, I ahelp'd to turn it back on, and while I can't remember my exact words, I know I made it clear I was joking.

The shuttle had already been called at this point for the meteors, and the ETA was about 8 minutes - not really a lot of time to do much about it, either. Going on, Buffalowing messaged me something along the lines of "I have five words for you: Please be nice to me." I giggled to myself a bit, and I copied the "Your AdminHelp was rejected!" message I had gotten when R3dtaile denied my request to enable OOC again, and pasted it, editing it to be more about their answer, just as a joke. Buffalowing messaged me again, saying something (which I thought they meant jokingly) about me doing my job, or something. Now, let me remind you, I had been ERP'ing with my friend for a large majority of my shift, and absolutely NO-ONE has needed me. Even when the meteors had started, there was no calls for my help, AND, the shuttle would be there in less than 5 minutes at that point, so of COURSE I wasn't gonna do anything. The round was ENDING, and me "fixing the station" by abruptly and unrealistically ending my friend and I's roleplay would be useless. So, I said something jokingly back to them, and suddenly, R3dtalie messages me out of nowhere, saying I need to do my job. Somewhat confused and a little frustrated, I reply to him by saying, "BRO I'M GETTING SOME PUSSY DAWG I'M NOT GIVING THAT UP", to which he was not amused by, and reiterated that I needed to do my job.

So, now realizing that they're both being serious, my confusion turns to more frustration, and I reply saying that there would be no POINT in me stopping as the shuttle is coming, so there's no use, and that I'm not going to end my ERP abruptly and rudely for something that isn't even needed, because we were LEAVING. At this point, he's pissed. R3dtaile sends me a text-wall explaining how rude I'm being, and he threatens me with an Engineering PERMA-ban, and treats me as if I just insulted his mother. I'm frustrated, and confused as FUCK at how personally he seems to be taking it all, and how it seems like he isn't even reading my replies. It makes it all the more worse that he probably wouldn't have even messaged me in the FIRST place if I didn't jokingly ask for the OOC chat to be enabled again (Also, I should mention just in-case someone brings this up, the SM was very slowly de-lamming, and didn't really go any lower than 87%. Besides, I'm not particularly good with engine stuff, AND the shuttle was leaving, so, just like me helping to fix the station, there would be no point).

Frustrated and done with trying to present my case, I send R3dtaile the "Your AdminHelp was rejected!" message, more tailored to his answer, instead of actually replying to him. I am fully aware of how rude this is, however, as you have read, this action should not have been a surprise, especially with how things were going. Before I receive a response from him, someone hacks into our dorm room, throws in a chemical grenade, and kills me, and ONLY me. That action was EXTREMELY suspicious to me, but I find out the person who threw it was after my partner, even though the grenade didn't even kill her. I talk about how I find that all to be a bit suspicious, Buffalowing comments how, "You wouldn't have died if you were doing your job!" Which didn't make any fucking sense, and I leave, as the shuttle had left, and the round was ending. Deciding I actually wanted to play another round, I attempt to join, and, am met with the ban message.

I know that was a very long read, and I thank you for reading it all. My reasons for being unbanned from both Engineering and the server are self-explanatory, and my description of all of the events I experienced should be enough. I'd also like to once again mention that this probably wouldn't have even happened if I hadn't made a joke AdminHelp in the first place. I just was not going to end a planned, already on-going roleplay session when the round was ending, and I should NOT be banned from either of the things I mentioned for that. I understand the server ban is not that long, but with all the notes I already have on my profile, I'd rather not have another negative thing on there, especially one that is wrongfully put there. Again, I thank you for reading!

[Redtail]

Just because you spent /most/ of a round ERPing doesn’t excuse your behavior when your job is actually needed. You endangered the rest of the crew with your inaction. “The station’s already fucked, the shift’s over, why should I do anything” Is a piss poor reason. That can be applied to so many other situations. Oh, nuke ops are here, the stations half fucked, the shuttle will be here soon because it was called. Why should I do anything as captain? That’s a bit hyperbolic but that is /still/ incredibly stupid. And I did not threaten you at all with an engineering permaban, don’t put words in my mouth. Your ban from engineering is two weeks, not a perma-ban. And I don’t see why I should lift either ban , personally. Your behavior is more fitting of an assistant, and you just took up an engineering slot that could’ve been used to fix the station and make evacuation that much safer. So if you want to prioritize ERPing, I am more than happy to oblige that wish by keeping both bans in place. Your behavior in that ahelp was inexcusable.

You were ignoring your single duty as an engineer, to repair the station, to get your rocks off. You can sit out engineering for a couple of weeks. Your original ban was going to be a lot shorter, but again, your behavior. Do not act rude in an AHELP. It won’t do you any favors. I stand by my decision, and you can serve the duration of both of your bans. As for the bombing, that truly was coincidence. I…wasn’t taking it personally at all? Ahelps aren’t the place to be rude., especially considering the context in which the ahelp took place. Ignoring your job in a time of emergency is an awful thing to do. You were putting your own fun over everyone else’s.

[mirukihoshi]

Just because you spent /most/ of a round ERPing doesn’t excuse your behavior when your job is actually needed. You endangered the rest of the crew with your inaction. “The station’s already fucked, the shift’s over, why should I do anything” Is a piss poor reason. That can be applied to so many other situations. Oh, nuke ops are here, the stations half fucked, the shuttle will be here soon because it was called. Why should I do anything as captain? That’s a bit hyperbolic but that is /still/ incredibly stupid. And I did not threaten you at all with an engineering permaban, don’t put words in my mouth. Your ban from engineering is two weeks, not a perma-ban. And I don’t see why I should lift either ban , personally. Your behavior is more fitting of an assistant, and you just took up an engineering slot that could’ve been used to fix the station and make evacuation that much safer. So if you want to prioritize ERPing, I am more than happy to oblige that wish by keeping both bans in place. Your behavior in that ahelp was inexcusable.

You were ignoring your single duty as an engineer, to repair the station, to get your rocks off. You can sit out engineering for a couple of weeks. Your original ban was going to be a lot shorter, but again, your behavior. Do not act rude in an AHELP. It won’t do you any favors. I stand by my decision, and you can serve the duration of both of your bans. As for the bombing, that truly was coincidence. I…wasn’t taking it personally at all? Ahelps aren’t the place to be rude., especially considering the context in which the ahelp took place. Ignoring your job in a time of emergency is an awful thing to do. You were putting your own fun over everyone else’s.

I almost didn't want to reply to this. This reply is extremely biased, and it shows you CLEARLY care a little too much about this, for some reason. I explained, in detail, both of our responses during those AdminHelps, yet mine are the ones that are "inexcuseable"? Okay. Also, your attitude towards this whole thing, which SURELY you must realize, is summed up by what you just said, "That’s a bit hyperbolic but". You say you're not taking it personally, but your reply here tells me otherwise. It's unprofessional, overly-emotional, and hyperbolic. Also, what the fuck is the point in repairing a station that is being evacuated in 8 minutes? Are you serious? That's not fun, nor should anyone do that when the round is ENDING. Your logic is flawed.

You've said multiple times now that, "You were putting your fun over everyone else's", yet, AGAIN, as you don't seem to understand, the round was EIGHT MINUTES FROM ENDING. In fact, it was LESS THAN 5 minutes when you told me to "do my job". Of course I'm not going to do it, the round is over. It's really that simple.

[Redtail]

Did you even make sure evac was safely repaired? No, you just said "nah fam, I won't stop my ERP" . You did not guarantee that people could safely leave the station. You ignored your duty, I'm not lifting the ban, sorry. It's really that simple.

[SectoidDan]

I will point out that I hit the button both times your adminhelps were auto-replied to, both the reject for asking for OOC to be unmuted, and IC when a traitor broke into your dorm room to kill your ERP partner, who was their assassinate target. Please don't assume everything done by admins is done by one person, even to you.
Also, you should know I had noted you were in the dorms earlier, and mentioned in adminchat to make sure you actually got up and did your job when it came time to do so, which, obviously, didn't happen. Your joking ahelp didn't incite angry badminry, it simply reminded me of that.

And you really, really should prioritize putting your job over your RP scenes. Even if the engine was fine (which it wouldn't have been, without the hard work of others in the engineering department) there were many, many large holes in the station, massive sections without air, and other engineering problems. If you don't want your scenes to be interrupted by you having to do your job, join as an assistant. If you don't want your scenes to be interrupted by gameplay, go to RP or discord DMs. This is a videogame first, place for ERP a distant second (if that).

[mirukihoshi]

Did you even make sure evac was safely repaired? No, you just said "nah fam, I won't stop my ERP" . You did not guarantee that people could safely leave the station. You ignored your duty, I'm not lifting the ban, sorry. It's really that simple.

It's not solely your decision, now is it? Besides, it's a broke system if the person who banned was also the person who decides if it sticks. Anyway, believe it or not, I happen to NOT be rude all the time, and I wasn't going to abruptly end something I had already planned for them last minute, when the round was ending. Besides, you make it seem like I was the only fucking Engineer in the round, which I wasn't. Also, you're asking a "what if". Was it ACTUALLY damaged? I don't think so, because if it was, you would've said so. If it was, the other Engineers would've handled it. You're focusing too much on what COULD'VE happened and not what ACTUALLY happened. Calm down.

[mirukihoshi]

I will point out that I hit the button both times your adminhelps were auto-replied to, both the reject for asking for OOC to be unmuted, and IC when a traitor broke into your dorm room to kill your ERP partner, who was their assassinate target. Please don't assume everything done by admins is done by one person, even to you.
Also, you should know I had noted you were in the dorms earlier, and mentioned in adminchat to make sure you actually got up and did your job when it came time to do so, which, obviously, didn't happen. Your joking ahelp didn't incite angry badminry, it simply reminded me of that.

And you really, really should prioritize putting your job over your RP scenes. Even if the engine was fine (which it wouldn't have been, without the hard work of others in the engineering department) there were many, many large holes in the station, massive sections without air, and other engineering problems. If you don't want your scenes to be interrupted by you having to do your job, join as an assistant. If you don't want your scenes to be interrupted by gameplay, go to RP or discord DMs. This is a videogame first, place for ERP a distant second (if that).

I do apologize for that, as I was just a bit frustrated, and you do have to admit, that coincidence was a little too perfect. Also, if you had said so earlier, it's not my fault R3dtaile or Buffalowing decided not to tell me until the shuttle was literally leaving. Besides, i had taken all of the proper precautions to make sure I wasn't needed, and I wasn't. There were plenty of other Engineers, so I knew I would be fine; which, I was.

[moltoretardo]

Aight so...
I was a sec boi during that round and right after the meteorites annihilated the station the shuttle was called. The escape got fixed rather quickly and I built a cloning station since the medbay had ceased existing. There was nothing much to be done about anything else since the shift was really close from ending and the damage the station received would've needed another whole shift to repair. I think a perma jobban is kinda harsh since the job was already quite done.

[Redtail]

Again, it isn't a perma-engineering ban. The time is for 2 weeks. Not perma.

[HazelBailey]

So after being asked to throw my opinion into this, I decided to go digging in the logs to find these ahelps in question before I threw my hat into the ring.

Ticket #14: Mirukihoshi/(Buddy Loraine): enable ooc you fucking mongoloids ;/

This is your "joking" ahelp asking for OOC to be re-enabled. I see nothing here that makes it clear you're joking.

The shuttle had already been called at this point for the meteors, and the ETA was about 8 minutes - not really a lot of time to do much about it, either.

You can patch holes. You can make sure escape is pressurized and safe for others. After a meteor wave, there's plenty of work for engineering to do, and plenty of reason to do pretty much the only thing they have to do after the engine is set up.

Now, let me remind you, I had been ERP'ing with my friend for a large majority of my shift, and absolutely NO-ONE has needed me. Even when the meteors had started, there was no calls for my help, AND, the shuttle would be there in less than 5 minutes at that point, so of COURSE I wasn't gonna do anything.

If an admin tells you to do something, it's probably a safe bet that you should zip up your pants and actually do it. Besides.

PM: Buffalowing/(Kayleigh Echard)->Mirukihoshi/(Buddy Loraine): You're aware of the meteors, right?
PM: Mirukihoshi/(Buddy Loraine)->Buffalowing/(Kayleigh Echard): - AdminHelp Rejected! -##Your admin help was rejected. The adminhelp verb has been returned to you so that you may try again.
PM: Buffalowing/(Kayleigh Echard)->Mirukihoshi/(Buddy Loraine): I love me too. Now go fix the station.
PM: Mirukihoshi/(Buddy Loraine)->Buffalowing/(Kayleigh Echard): bro im FUCKING

I honestly FAIL to see how any of this could be seen as Buffy joking. OR how you would think this is an appropriate response.

I reply saying that there would be no POINT in me stopping as the shuttle is coming, so there's no use, and that I'm not going to end my ERP abruptly and rudely for something that isn't even needed, because we were LEAVING.

You seem to have left something out, here.

PM: Mirukihoshi/(Buddy Loraine)->Buffalowing/(Kayleigh Echard): firstly##we are LEAVING the station. i am NOT gonna "do my job" when we are LEAVING. second, i'm not gonna abruptly stop (e)rp. that's a fucking dick move. you have a big problem with it? note me or ban me. we done here?

Try to avoid lying and leaving out info in appeals, yeah?

At this point, he's pissed. R3dtaile sends me a text-wall explaining how rude I'm being, and he threatens me with an Engineering PERMA-ban, and treats me as if I just insulted his mother.

This was their actual reply.

PM: R3dtaile/(Chase Redtail)->Mirukihoshi/(Buddy Loraine): Okay. So. Your ONE job is to repair the station. you are committing dereliction of duty. If you want to be snarky about being forced to put your job before your scene. We will be more than happy to give you an engineering ban. Your job comes before ANY scene. Especially in times of an emergency. And you're outright refusing to listen to admins for telling you to do your job? I'm sorry, but uh, why are you acting like this? You picked engineer, you know damn well the things you might have to deal with in a round. Yet you're choosing to put your fun over EVERYONE elses. That's selfish and incredibly piss poor behavior

Given how you'd acted so far, this is pretty damn nice compared to the response you'd get from other admins for that.

Frustrated and done with trying to present my case, I send R3dtaile the "Your AdminHelp was rejected!" message, more tailored to his answer, instead of actually replying to him.

I dont know why you thought this was a good idea, but most other admins would have perma'd you for this, so you should consider yourself lucky.

Before I receive a response from him, someone hacks into our dorm room, throws in a chemical grenade, and kills me, and ONLY me. That action was EXTREMELY suspicious to me, but I find out the person who threw it was after my partner, even though the grenade didn't even kill her. I talk about how I find that all to be a bit suspicious, Buffalowing comments how, "You wouldn't have died if you were doing your job!" Which didn't make any fucking sense, and I leave, as the shuttle had left

This was actually coincidence and if you had actually listened to admins and zipped your pants up, you actually wouldn't have been killed. It was found out after they broke in that your ERP buddy was the target they were after.


Overall, I'm saying your ban appeal is denied, and if I had any say in it, I'd add a few days for lying in the appeal by leaving out information and using that lack of information to paint Chase as the bad guy in this.